How Do You Calculate (x_i - x_i_-_1) in Summation Notation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the term (x_i - x_{i-1}) in summation notation, particularly in the context of Riemann sums and real analysis. Participants explore different notational conventions used in various textbooks and how they relate to the calculation of definite integrals.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the difference in notation between various textbooks, specifically mentioning Stewart/Thomas and Apostol/Bartle, and seeks clarity on calculating (x_i - x_{i-1}) for a specific function.
  • Another participant suggests that the two notations essentially convey the same concept and proposes substituting expressions for x_i and x_{i-1} to simplify the understanding of the notation.
  • A third participant expresses concern about a potential error in the notation used by Thomas, implying that there may be a misunderstanding regarding limits.
  • A later reply confirms that the initial confusion was resolved, particularly regarding the subscript notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the notation used by Thomas, and there is some disagreement about the implications of the limit notation. However, there is agreement on the clarification provided regarding the calculation of (x_i - x_{i-1}).

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that participants are familiar with the concepts of Riemann sums and definite integrals, but the discussion does not resolve all uncertainties regarding the notation or its implications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in real analysis or calculus, particularly those grappling with different notational conventions in summation and integration.

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Okay I've seen how crazy Riemann sums can get in real analysis and I've noticed a heirarchy of notation.

The Stewart/Thomas etc... kinds of books use;

[tex]\lim_{x \to \infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} f(x_i) \Delta x[/tex]

Where;

[tex]\Delta x = \frac{b - a}{n} and x_i = a + i\Delta x[/tex]

Then the books like Apostol and Bartle's real analysis use;

[tex]\lim_{x \to \infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} f(x_i) (x_i - x_i_-_1)[/tex]and what I'd like to know is how to calculate the (x_i - x_i_-_1) for some equation like;

f(x) = x² integrated from 2 to 8. I can do the Δx = (b - a)/n version fine but how do you work the newer notation?

in f(x_i) (x_i - x_i_-_1) I would assume f(x_i) would use any endpoint, i.e. the right endpoint being a + iΔx but how do you make sense of the (x_i - x_i_-_1)?
 
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As you say, they both essentially mean the same thing. To see this, just substitute [tex](i.\frac{b - a}{n}[/tex] for [tex]x_i[/tex] and [tex](i-1).\frac{b - a}{n}[/tex] for [tex]x_{i-1}[/tex] in the latter notation, and simplify.

[tex]x_i[/tex] just means the "value you get after adding [tex]i\frac{b-a}{n}[/tex] to [tex]a[/tex] ".

I'm not sure if this answers your question.
 
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Thomas is in BIG TROUBLE if he actually says [itex]x \to \infty[/itex] ... but I think it is just sponsoredwalk who is mistaken ...
 
That answered my question perfectly thanks, I was a bit confused because the i was in the subscript.

Yeah that's actually [tex]\lim_{n \to \infty}[/tex] :redface:
 

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