How Do You Compute the Expression E = AB - B^*A^* with Complex Numbers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the expression E = AB - B^*A^* involving complex numbers A and B. Participants explore different interpretations and methods for computing this expression, considering the implications of conjugation in complex multiplication.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the expression can be evaluated directly as E = AB - B^*A^* without altering the terms, while others propose alternative forms such as E = AB^* - BA^* or E = A^*B - B^*A.
  • One participant notes that there is no single "correct way" to compute the expression, emphasizing that it depends on the context and the specific operations being performed.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate that different interpretations of the expression yield different results, indicating that the choice of conjugation affects the outcome.
  • Another participant raises the importance of understanding the context in which the expression is used, questioning whether A and B represent scalars, vectors, or linear transformations.
  • Some participants assert that if A and B are complex numbers, the notation has a clear and single meaning, while others express confusion regarding the computation due to the nature of A and B as complex amplitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for evaluating the expression. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach to conjugation and the implications of different interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of context, such as whether A and B are treated as scalars or vectors, which may influence the evaluation of the expression. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from the nature of A and B as complex amplitudes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those interested in complex number operations, particularly in contexts involving physics or engineering where complex amplitudes are relevant.

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If I have 2 complex numbers, A and B, what is the correct way to evaluate this expression:

## E = AB - B^*A^*##

I was under the impression that when taking the product of complex numbers, you always conjugate one factor, but in this instance, it is quite important which one is conjugated, no? For example, is the correct way to compute E:

## E = AB^* - BA^*## or ## E = A^*B- B^*A## or another method?
 
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TheCanadian said:
If I have 2 complex numbers, A and B, what is the correct way to evaluate this expression:

## E = AB - B^*A^*##
The correct way to calculate ##E## is to calculate the RHS as it is.
TheCanadian said:
I was under the impression that when taking the product of complex numbers, you always conjugate one factor,
I was under the impression that you mixed the ordinary product between complex numbers with an inner product on a complex vector space.
 
TheCanadian said:
## E = AB^* - BA^*## or ## E = A^*B- B^*A## or another method?
Why do you want to change the expression?

You evaluate AB.
You evaluate B* and A* and multiply them to get B*A*.
You subtract both.

Using some rules for complex numbers you can save a bit of time, but that is completely optional.
 
There is no "correct way". You can multiply complex numbers without conjugating either one, or you can conjugate one of them, or you can conjugate both of them. It depends what you are doing. Each of the three expressions you have written for E is different from the other two. For example, if:
A = 2+3i
B = 4+7i
Then your first expression for E is 52i, your second expression for E is -4i, and your third expression for E is 4i.
 
phyzguy said:
There is no "correct way". You can multiply complex numbers without conjugating either one, or you can conjugate one of them, or you can conjugate both of them. It depends what you are doing. Each of the three expressions you have written for E is different from the other two. For example, if:
A = 2+3i
B = 4+7i
Then your first expression for E is 52i, your second expression for E is -4i, and your third expression for E is 4i.

Thank you for the responses. The main reason I was asking was because I saw the initial expression I posted in a paper but wasn't exactly sure how the author intended the expression to be evaluated.
 
Then you have to know in which context the equation is presented, e.g. what do those alphabets symbolize, are they scalars, vectors, or linear transformation?
 
If A and B are complex numbers, the notation has a clear, single meaning.
 
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mfb said:
If A and B are complex numbers, the notation has a clear, single meaning.

Ahh yes, I think I confused the exact computation because A and B are the complex amplitudes (scalar functions dependent on the spatial and temporal variables) of complex vectors, but are not vectors themselves. And so in such a case, just to confirm, the expression E above would be computed as initially stated?
 
## E = AB - B^*A^*## is computed as ## E = AB - B^*A^*##.
 

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