How Do You Correctly Multiply Complex Numbers to Verify Roots?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the multiplication of complex numbers, specifically in the context of verifying the roots of a quadratic equation. Participants explore different methods for calculating the square of a complex number and seek clarification on errors encountered during their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to evaluating \(x^2\) for the complex root \(x = -2/3 + i\sqrt{19}\) using both distribution and the multiplication definition of complex numbers, but encounters discrepancies in results.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the representation of complex numbers, particularly regarding the sign of the imaginary component.
  • Several participants point out mistakes in the calculations, emphasizing the importance of correctly identifying coefficients and handling the imaginary unit \(i\).
  • A participant revises their calculations and presents a new method, using the formula \((a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2\), leading to a different result.
  • One participant acknowledges their earlier mistakes and recognizes the need to exclude \(i\) from certain terms in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views and methods for calculating complex number multiplication are presented. Disagreements about specific calculations and interpretations persist throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of complex number multiplication rules and the handling of imaginary components. Some calculations remain unresolved, and assumptions about the representation of complex numbers are not fully clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals learning about complex numbers, particularly those interested in the multiplication of complex numbers and verifying solutions to quadratic equations.

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I have solved the roots of a quadratic equation and want to "test" them by putting them back in for x. I am having a problem with the x^2 term. Of the two roots, I'm only trying so far the positive square root case. I am trying to avoid writing all my work out since that would be hell and I also think would not be easy to read.

To evaluate x^2 where x = -2/3 + i√19, I first try the "from the ground up" method of just distributing, and eventually make a substitution of -1 for i^2. After making that substitution, I end up subtracting the term that had the i^2, from (9/4). After simplifying, I have (-5/2) + (-3i√19)/2

The second way I try to evaluate x^2 term is by using the multiplication definition of complex numbers (a + bi)(c + di) = (ac - bd) + (bc + ad)i . I find that (ac - bd) results in (9/4) - (19i^2)/4 and when I change i^2 to -1, now the terms are being added! Then when I add the (bc + ad)i part, I finally end up with (14/2) + (-3i√19)/2 .

Could someone point out the mistake here then? :S
 
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I am new to complex numbers so don't assume anything with me. I read somewhere on wiki that it is sometimes relevant for a +bi when b is negative to keep b itself negative as supposed to write as a - bi ? I don't really remember about it much though, but just throwing it out there.
 
Square1 said:
I have solved the roots of a quadratic equation and want to "test" them by putting them back in for x. I am having a problem with the x^2 term. Of the two roots, I'm only trying so far the positive square root case. I am trying to avoid writing all my work out since that would be hell and I also think would not be easy to read.
If we can't see what you did, how can we provide help?
Square1 said:
To evaluate x^2 where x = -2/3 + i√19, I first try the "from the ground up" method of just distributing, and eventually make a substitution of -1 for i^2. After making that substitution, I end up subtracting the term that had the i^2, from (9/4). After simplifying, I have (-5/2) + (-3i√19)/2
This is incorrect. Since you didn't show your work, I have no way to point out where you went wrong.
Square1 said:
The second way I try to evaluate x^2 term is by using the multiplication definition of complex numbers (a + bi)(c + di) = (ac - bd) + (bc + ad)i . I find that (ac - bd) results in (9/4) - (19i^2)/4 and when I change i^2 to -1, now the terms are being added!
You have mistake here, as well, in both calculations.

a = c = -2/3, and b = d = √19. Note that b and d are the coefficients of i. They do not include i.

ac - bd = 4/9 - 19


Square1 said:
Then when I add the (bc + ad)i part, I finally end up with (14/2) + (-3i√19)/2 .

Could someone point out the mistake here then? :S

What do you get for bc + ad? That is the coefficient of i in the product.
 
Ok i made some big mistakes in writing this firstly. Yikes. Need to start again...

The roots of x^2 + 3x + 7 are x = -3/2 + (i√19)/2 and x = -3/2 - (i√19)/2

x^2 when x = -3/2 + (i√19)/2
= (-3 + i√19)/(2) x (-3 + i√19)/(2)
= (9/4 - (3i√19)/4 - (3i√19)/4 - 19/4) switching i^2 with -1
=(-10/4 - (6i√19)/4)
=(-5/2 - (3i√19)/2)Now plugging in terms with the definition...
( (9/4 - (19i^2)/4) + ( (-3i√19)/4 - (3i√19)/4 ) )
= ( (9 + 19)/4 + (-6i√19)/4 )
= 28/4 - (6i√19)/4
=14/2 - (3i√19)/4
 
Try this: (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2
((-3/2) + i*SQRT(19)/2)^2 = (-3/2)^2 + 2(3/2)(i*SQRT(19)/2) + (19/4)*i^2)
= 9/4 + (-1)*(19/4) + (3/2)(i*SQRT(19)/2
= (9-19)/4 + (3/4)*SQRT(19)*i
= -5/2 + 3i*SQRT(19)/4

You have to be careful handling - signs and i^2 in the same expression, or you might inadvertently make a mistake.
 
OK i think I got it now.
I had the right idea with my distributive method and it brings me to right answer. When it comes to just plugging in the needed values "using the definition", it boiled down to what mark mentioned; that being to exclude i from term b and d.

Thanks
 

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