How Do You Determine If a Point Lies on a Circle?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a specific point, (3/5, 4/5), lies on a circle of radius 1 centered at the origin. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the circle's equation and the verification process for the point's inclusion on the circle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state the equation of the circle as x^2 + y^2 = 1, confirming the radius is 1.
  • Participants perform calculations to check if the point (3/5, 4/5) satisfies the circle's equation, arriving at the conclusion that it does lie on the circle.
  • One participant points out that the reasoning used in the calculations assumes the conclusion that is being tested, suggesting a more formal representation of the calculations.
  • Another participant questions whether the initial calculations were indeed correct, prompting a clarification of the reasoning process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is agreement on the equation of the circle and the calculations leading to the conclusion that the point lies on it, there is contention regarding the reasoning process, with some participants suggesting that assumptions were made in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of rigor in mathematical proofs and the potential for misinterpretation of reasoning steps. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

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1. Sketch the circle of radius 1 centered at (0, 0).

(A) Write the equation of this circle.

I must use x^2 + y^2 = r^2.

The radius is 1. This means r = 1.

The equation is x^2 + y^2 = 1. Correct?

B. Does the point (3/5, 4/5) lie on this circle?

(3/5)^2 + (4/5)^2 = 1^2

(9/25) + (16/25) = 1

(9 + 16)/25 = 1

25/25 = 1

1 = 1

I say yes. Right?
 
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RTCNTC said:
1. Sketch the circle of radius 1 centered at (0, 0).

(A) Write the equation of this circle.

I must use x^2 + y^2 = r^2.

The radius is 1. This means r = 1.

The equation is x^2 + y^2 = 1. Correct?

Correct.

RTCNTC said:
B. Does the point (3/5, 4/5) lie on this circle?

(3/5)^2 + (4/5)^2 = 1^2

(9/25) + (16/25) = 1

(9 + 16)/25 = 1

25/25 = 1

1 = 1

I say yes. Right?

Right. Good work!
 
Good to know that I am right.
 
RTCNTC said:
B. Does the point (3/5, 4/5) lie on this circle?

(3/5)^2 + (4/5)^2 = 1^2

(9/25) + (16/25) = 1

(9 + 16)/25 = 1

25/25 = 1

1 = 1

In the first and following lines above, you are assuming what you are trying to show. The above can be properly written as

$$\left(\frac35\right)^2+\left(\frac45\right)^2=\frac{9}{25}+\frac{16}{25}=\frac{9+16}{25}=\frac{25}{25}=1$$

:)
 
greg1313 said:
In the first and following lines above, you are assuming what you are trying to show. The above can be properly written as

$$\left(\frac35\right)^2+\left(\frac45\right)^2=\frac{9}{25}+\frac{16}{25}=\frac{9+16}{25}=\frac{25}{25}=1$$

:)

Isn't that what I did?
 

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