How Do You Determine Integration Limits for Convolution Integrals?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the integration limits for convolution integrals in the context of a signals course. Participants are focused on a specific example involving the evaluation of convolution integrals over multiple intervals, particularly the limits for the third interval corresponding to the range 2T < t < 3T.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the limits of integration for the third interval of the convolution integral, suggesting a lower limit of -2T + t and an upper limit of T.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the integration limits for the variable τ in the convolution definition are from -∞ to +∞, noting that contributions are typically zero except for certain ranges.
  • A clarification is made regarding the variable of integration, k, and its limits, reinforcing that k is not t and its limits are indeed from -∞ to +∞.
  • Participants discuss the need to identify the range where the evaluated integral is nonzero for the specific interval 2T < t < 3T.
  • There is a focus on integrating the section where the argument of the function h() falls within the range [2T, 3T].

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific limits of integration for the third interval, and multiple viewpoints regarding the evaluation of the convolution integral remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of convolution and the specific intervals involved, which may not be fully resolved in the context provided.

Abdulwahab Hajar
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Homework Statement


Hi all, I hope you all can help me
so I'm studying for my signals course and I encounter this example in the book, and the answer is there but the solution isn't... The convolution integral exists for 3 intervals and I could evaluate the first two just fine... however I can't find the limits of integration of the third.
The third one corresponds to the fourth in the picture which is 2T < t < 3T
The question and answer is shown in the picture attached

Thank you!

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The Attempt at a Solution


I believe that the lower limit should be -2T + t, and the upper limit should be to T.
 

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Abdulwahab Hajar said:
I believe that the lower limit should be -2T + t, and the upper limit should be to T
Limit for what ? This will become clear when you post your relevant equation: the definition of a convolution. Per that definition, the integration limits for ##\tau## are ##-\infty## and ##+\infty##. Of course for most ##\tau## the contribution is zero. Except for ##\tau\in [0,T]##
 
BvU said:
Limit for what ? This will become clear when you post your relevant equation: the definition of a convolution. Per that definition, the integration limits for ##\tau## are ##-\infty## and ##+\infty##. Of course for most ##\tau## the contribution is zero. Except for ##\tau\in [0,T]##
Yes actually the relevant equation would be
x(t) * h(t) = (from -∞ to +∞) ∫x(k)h(t - k)dk where K was used in this case instead of tau to avoid confusion...
However as shown in the file attached there is more than one interval of integration...
I need the limits of the fourth one where 2T < t < 3T
 
You mean: 2T < t - k < 3T

Remember: k is your integration variable, NOT t ! And its limits are ##-\infty## and ##+\infty## .
 
BvU said:
You mean: 2T < t - k < 3T

Remember: k is your integration variable, NOT t ! And its limits are ##-\infty## and ##+\infty## .

true, it's limits are from -∞ to ∞
however, what is the range on which evaluated integral is nonzero... when 2T < t (is constant) < 3T
if you check the picture I attached there are many intervals on which the integral is evaluated
on the fourth interval 2T < t < 3T, when is the range on which the integral is nonzero?
 
The point is that k is the integration variable and t - k is the argument of the function h(). You want to intgrate the section where the argument is in ##[2T, 3T]##
 

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