Use convolution integral to find step response of a system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the step response of an electrical network using the convolution integral. Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem involving the unit-impulse response of the system and the application of a unit voltage step, focusing on the mathematical process of convolution.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the unit-impulse response as h(t) = 3t e^{-4t} and describes the convolution integral needed to find the output after 0.25 seconds.
  • Another participant suggests using the convolution integral with specific limits, indicating that the integration by parts will yield the answer.
  • A later reply confirms the limits of the convolution integral, explaining that the lower limit is adjusted to zero due to the properties of h(τ) and the upper limit to t because of the unit step function.
  • Participants express uncertainty about handling the unit step function in the integral and the implications of changing limits during integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the convolution integral but have differing views on the limits of integration and the handling of the unit step function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the integral limits and the final evaluation of the output.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the limits of integration and the treatment of the unit step function, which may affect the evaluation of the convolution integral.

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Homework Statement


An electrical network has the unit-impulse response :h(t)=3t⋅e-4t .If a unit voltage step is applied to the network, use the convolution integral to work out the value of the output after 0.25 seconds.

Homework Equations


Convolution integral: y(t)=f(t)*h(t)
Unit step function u(t) = 1 when t>=0, 0 when t<0

The Attempt at a Solution


This is a problem on the problem sheet of my circuit analysis course. The lecturer also gives a solution which is not complete:
v(τ)=∫0 1⋅3(τ-t)e(-4(τ-t)) dt
v(0.25) = 4.95×10-2V
I'm not sure how to proceed from the above equation to get the final answer. I have tried solving using convolution:y(t) =∫0h(τ)u(t-τ)dτ or y(t)=∫0u(τ)h(t-τ)dτ,but get something like 0 or -0.192. I guess I dealt with the u(τ) or u(t-τ) in the integral wrong as I'm not sure how to deal with it in an integral. I know that u(t) might affect the limit of the integral but I'm not sure how.(p.s.the∫ part above means integrate from ∞ to 0, if that causes any confusion)
Any help or advise would be really appreciated as I've been bothered by this for quite some time.Thanks!
 
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Let ##h(t) = 3t e^{-4t}## and ##u(t)## be the unit step function, then:

$$(h * u)(t) = \int_0^{\infty} h(x) u(t-x) \space dx = 3 \int_0^{0.25} x e^{-4x} \space dx$$

Integration by parts will yield the answer.
 
Zondrina said:
Let ##h(t) = 3t e^{-4t}## and ##u(t)## be the unit step function, then:

$$(h * u)(t) = \int_0^{\infty} h(x) u(t-x) \space dx = 3 \int_0^{0.25} x e^{-4x} \space dx$$

Integration by parts will yield the answer.
Thank you for your reply, it helped me find out where I went wrong in my approach to the solution. I changed the limit to infinity to 0.25 instead of 0.25 to 0 when evaluating (h*u)(t). Thanks again much appreciated.
 
Actually, the complete convolution integral limits are -∞ to +∞. But the lower limit changes to zero because your h(τ) = 0, τ < 0, and the upper limit changes to t since U(t-τ) = 0 for τ > t. So then v(t) = 3∫0t τ e-4τ
and you can let t = 0.25 for your particular problem after performing the definite integral.
 

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