How Do You Determine the Fundamental Groups of Specific Matrix Spaces?

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The discussion centers around determining the fundamental groups of specific matrix spaces, particularly focusing on the space of 2x2 matrices over the complex numbers with zero determinant and the space of upper triangular 2x2 matrices with determinant one. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to algebraic topology.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses familiarity with finding fundamental groups of surfaces but feels lost when applying similar concepts to matrix spaces.
  • Another participant suggests that the space of upper triangular matrices is contractible and proposes a deformation retraction to a specific point, implying a simpler structure.
  • A different participant argues that the space of matrices with zero determinant can be retracted onto the zero matrix, suggesting that the fundamental group is trivial.
  • This same participant also proposes a deformation of the upper triangular matrices onto diagonal matrices, leading to a conclusion that the fundamental group is the integers.
  • A later reply questions the appropriateness of the request for assistance, implying concerns about academic integrity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the fundamental groups of the specified matrix spaces. Participants present differing viewpoints on the nature of these spaces and their fundamental groups, with some arguing for triviality and others for the integers.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about the properties of matrix spaces and deformation retractions, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored in the discussion.

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I am reading Munkres and know exactly how to find the fundamental groups of surfaces, using pi_1 and reducing it down to simpler problems. However, I'm completely lost when looking at my final exam it says to find the fundamental groups of matrices! How do you go about doing that! There are no explanations in the book, or the net (that I can find). The two main ones I'm having trouble with are here, if you could quickly help that would be great.

Find the fundamental groups of
1) The space of 2x2 matrices over C (complex) with 0 determinant with the topology given by the embedding in the vector space of all 2x2 matrices over C.
2) The space of upper triangular matrices of the size 2x2 over C with determinant 1 considered as a closed subspace in the vector space of all matrices size 2x2 over C.

I know the answer to 1, because someone told me it, but I don't know how they came to that conclusion. The answer to one is the integers, Z. Thank you!
 
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1 seems hard to me, but the space of question 2 looks contractible: write

a b
c d

for a 2x2 matrix with complex entries. Then the space of such matrices, is, as specified in the question, identified with C^4, and so the space of upper triangular matrices that concerns us is identified with the subspace of C^4 consisting of those quadruples (a,b,0,d) such that ad=1. That is, such that a =/= 0 and d=a^-1=(complex conjugate of a)/|a|². Surely, this space deformation retracts onto, say (1,1,0,1).
 
Det(tA) = (t^n)Det(A) for an nxn matrix.

This gives a strong deformation retraction of the matrices of zero determinant onto the zero matrix.

(A,t) -> tA for t in the unit interval.

Thus the answer to 1 is the trivial group.

For 2 let the matrix a b o d go to the matrix a tb o d. This defines a strong deformation retraction onto the diagonal matrices of determinant 1. These matrices are homeomorphic to the non-zero complex numbers by the map z -> z 0 0 1/z.

The non-zero complex numbers deform onto the complex numbers of norm 1 which is the unit circle in the complex plane. Thus the fundamental group is the fundamental group of the circle which is Z.

The answer to 2 is the integers.
 
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curtdbz said:
However, I'm completely lost when looking at my final exam it says to find the fundamental groups of matrices!

I know the answer to 1, because someone told me it, but I don't know how they came to that conclusion.

Sounds like you are asking us to do your final take-home exam for you...?
 

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