How Do You Determine the Period of a Non-SHM System Using Energy Equations?

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The discussion revolves around determining the period of a non-simple harmonic motion (non-SHM) system using energy equations. The original poster presents a potential energy function and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem, seeking guidance on the approach to take.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the problem, questioning whether it relates to spring-mass systems or pendulums. There are attempts to relate potential energy to force and to express energy equations, with some participants suggesting the need to solve a differential equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have offered potential approaches and expressed their own attempts, while others are seeking clarification on the setup and relevant equations.

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There is mention of a lack of examples provided in the course material, which contributes to the original poster's confusion. Participants are also questioning the classification of the system as SHM or not, indicating a need for further clarification on the assumptions involved.

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1. U(x)=U0(x/a)^1000000
Find the period for a mass m, if it has total energy E


2. E=U+K




3. dE/dt=0=v[mdv/dt+dU/dx]

I am really stuck on this one, I am not sure what to do at all talked to my proffessor he says just to re-read the chapter but if I am honest I've always been one to learn through examples which he hasnt given us, any clues would be most appreciated!
 
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Physicist_FTW said:
1. U(x)=U0(x/a)^1000000
Find the period for a mass m, if it has total energy E


2. E=U+K




3. dE/dt=0=v[mdv/dt+dU/dx]

I am really stuck on this one, I am not sure what to do at all talked to my proffessor he says just to re-read the chapter but if I am honest I've always been one to learn through examples which he hasnt given us, any clues would be most appreciated!


Is this a spring and mass problem, or a pendulum problem or what? Please post more details and the relevant equations in more detail, and show us how you have tried to start the solution...
 
its a SHM probelm, well i tried
-dU/dx=F(x)
F(x)=m(d^2x/dt^2)
then i think I am meant to guess a value for x(t) but I am not really sure/
 
Physicist_FTW said:
its a SHM probelm, well i tried
-dU/dx=F(x)
F(x)=m(d^2x/dt^2)
then i think I am meant to guess a value for x(t) but I am not really sure/

First I suggest that you express the potential energy as:

[tex]U(x)=\frac{U_0}{a^{k+1}}x^{k+1}[/tex] where in our case [tex]k+1=1000000[/tex]

Use the following theorem:

[tex]F(x)=-U'(x)[/tex]

And from there all that remains is to solve a tricky differential equation. I'm trying it myself, it looks interesting.
 
If E=U+K
E=((U0x^K+1)/a^k+1)+0.5(m)(dx/dt)^2
rearrange
dx/dt=(2/m(E-U0x^K+1)/a^k+1))^0.5
is this the right way about, I am not sure how to do this integral.
 
This system doesn't look to be SHM.
 

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