How Do You Evaluate This Limit Using a Definite Integral?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a definite integral involving the expression $$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\int_0^1 \frac{nx^{n-1}}{1+x}\,dx$$. Participants explore various methods to approach this limit, including series expansions, substitutions, and integration by parts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a series expansion for $$\frac{1}{1+x}$$, leading to a limit involving a series, but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed from there.
  • Another participant suggests making the substitution $$u = x^{n}$$ and claims this approach will lead to the answer being $$\frac{1}{2}$$.
  • A different participant also mentions integration by parts, providing a detailed calculation that shows the integral approaches zero as $$n$$ increases, which they argue leads to the same conclusion of $$\frac{1}{2}$$.
  • Several participants acknowledge the substitution and integration by parts methods, with one expressing gratitude for the suggestion and confirming the result of $$\frac{1}{2}$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the result being $$\frac{1}{2}$$, there is no consensus on the methods used to arrive at this conclusion, as different approaches are discussed and some participants express uncertainty about their own methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not resolve the uncertainties in their methods or the assumptions underlying their approaches, leaving some steps and reasoning open to interpretation.

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Problem:

Evaluate:
$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\int_0^1 \frac{nx^{n-1}}{1+x}\,dx$$

Attempt:
I used the series expansion:
$$\frac{1}{1+x}=\sum_{r=0}^{\infty} (-1)^rx^r$$
From above, I got:
$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \sum_{r=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^rn}{n+r}$$
But I don't see how to proceed from here. :confused:

Is there a way to solve this by elementary methods? I ask this because when I enter the above limit in W|A, it shows me weird things.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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You could make the substitution $u = x^{n}$ and then justify bringing the limit inside of the integral. Doing so you'll see that the answer is $\frac{1}{2}$.
 
Pranav said:
Problem:

Evaluate:
$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\int_0^1 \frac{nx^{n-1}}{1+x}\,dx$$
Is there a way to solve this by elementary methods?
Integrate by parts: $$\int_0^1\frac{nx^{n-1}}{1+x}\,dx = \Bigl[\dfrac{x^n}{1+x}\Bigr]_0^1 + \int_0^1\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2}\,dx.$$ But $\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2} < x^n$ when $x > 0$, so that $$\int_0^1\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2}\,dx < \int_0^1 x^n\,dx \to0$$ as $n\to\infty$. That will quickly lead to RV's answer $\frac12.$
 
Random Variable said:
You could make the substitution $u = x^{n}$ and then justify bringing the limit inside of the integral. Doing so you'll see that the answer is $\frac{1}{2}$.

Ah, I never thought of it, thanks a lot Random Variable.

Opalg said:
Integrate by parts: $$\int_0^1\frac{nx^{n-1}}{1+x}\,dx = \Bigl[\dfrac{x^n}{1+x}\Bigr]_0^1 + \int_0^1\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2}\,dx.$$ But $\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2} < x^n$ when $x > 0$, so that $$\int_0^1\dfrac{x^n}{(1+x)^2}\,dx < \int_0^1 x^n\,dx \to0$$ as $n\to\infty$. That will quickly lead to RV's answer $\frac12.$

This is a very nice solution, thank you Opalg! :)
 

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