How Do You Expand a Differential Equation Solution into a Taylor Series?

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The discussion revolves around expanding a solution to a differential equation into a Taylor series. Participants explore the steps involved in this process, particularly focusing on the correct formulation of the differential equation and the subsequent manipulation of the Taylor series.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Eric presents a differential equation and a proposed solution, seeking guidance on how to expand it into a Taylor series.
  • One participant challenges Eric's solution, suggesting it does not satisfy the original differential equation and implies the solution should involve an exponential function.
  • Eric revisits the problem and presents a new solution involving an exponential term, expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant corrects Eric's manipulation of the Taylor series, emphasizing that a constant term should not be included in the summation.
  • Eric attempts to relate the Taylor series expansion to a quadratic form from a different part of the problem, calculating the first few terms of the series.
  • There is a discussion about the correctness of the quadratic form in relation to the original differential equation, with some participants acknowledging the confusion and clarifying the relationships between the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial solution or the manipulation of the Taylor series. Multiple competing views remain regarding the proper approach to the problem and the relationships between the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the definitions of the terms involved in the differential equation and its solution. The discussion reflects a progression of understanding rather than a definitive resolution.

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Many of you have probably used the book Differential Equations by Lomen & Lovelock.
For my class I'm working on Example 2, Page 153.

You don't need to see the book, though, to help me out. It's a four-part problem and I'm on the last step not knowing where to take it.

In Part B, we created a DE:

dP/dt = (397/4169) P + (6580236/4169)

and solved it:

P(t) = (397/8338) t^2 + (6580236/4169) t + (1225953/4169)

Now in Part D they ask:
"Expand the explicit solution you obtained in Part B in a Taylor Series about the origin."

I'm not so sure I've ever done anything like this, so I'm not clear on what steps I should take. I believe my teacher said I should find a similar Taylor Series and manipulate it to fit my needs but that still doesn't get me very far.

Absolutely any insight is appreciated, hope you can help me!

Thanks,
Eric
 
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If your differential equation really is
dP/dt = (397/4169) P + (6580236/4169)
then dP/dt = (397/4169) P + (6580236/4169)
is NOT the solution. Your P(t) satisfies dP/dt = (397/4169) t + (6580236/4169).

The solution to dP/dt = (397/4169) P + (6580236/4169)
will involve an exponential function.
 
I think I'm going to have to look at it in a different light. I could've sworn I put it correctly into maple, that's what it threw back at me.

Now that I try again, I get P(t) = -315680/19+exp((19/200)*t)*_C1, which I have checked by hand. I'm not entirely sure it's right though, I solved for C using a point from my original data table and got funny results when trying to use it.

I'll try again tomorrow. But now that I have an e in it, I believe I'll just be modifying the taylor series for e.
 
Okay, I've figured out the problem. The one I posted was from a different part of the question.

I believe my correct equation is
P(t)=e^{.095t}16543 - 16571

Now I know that E is
e^{x} = \Sigma\frac{x^{n}}{n!}

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but do I manipulate the series as so to match my equation?

\Sigma[\frac{(0.095t)^n}{n!}16543-16571]

To be proper, all the summations here are from n=0 to \infty

In the question they ask me to relate it to the solution I got in part A, which is similar to what I originally posted:
P(t) = a t^2 + b t + c

I don't think how I have it set up results in an answer in that form. Did I turn it into a taylor series properly?
 
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epheterson said:
Okay, I've figured out the problem. The one I posted was from a different part of the question.

I believe my correct equation is
P(t)=e^{.095t}16543 - 16571

Now I know that E is
e^{x} = \Sigma\frac{x^{n}}{n!}

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but do I manipulate the series as so to match my equation?

\Sigma[\frac{(0.095t)^n}{n!}16543-16571]
No, the "-16571" is NOT part of the exponential and is NOT summed an infinite number of times!

To be proper, all the summations here are from n=0 to \infty

In the question they ask me to relate it to the solution I got in part A, which is similar to what I originally posted:
P(t) = a t^2 + b t + c

I don't think how I have it set up results in an answer in that form. Did I turn it into a taylor series properly?
And, again, that quadratic is WRONG.
 
Well stay with me here...

I was unsure and that's what I was asking about, now as I understand it my new equation should be:
P(t) = (16543)\Sigma[\frac{(0.095t)^n}{n!}]-16571

True, the P(t) = a t^2 + b t + c is incorrect for the original DE I gave you, but it is correct for a different part of the problem. This step is relating the quadratic to our new equation which we're making with summations.


I think I did this right, to relate them, I calculated out the summation to three terms and plugged them into get:
P(t) = 74.7t^2+1571.6t-28

which I can relate to my quadratic using similarities.
 
epheterson said:
Well stay with me here...

I was unsure and that's what I was asking about, now as I understand it my new equation should be:
P(t) = (16543)\Sigma[\frac{(0.095t)^n}{n!}]-16571
Good! This is now correct.

True, the P(t) = a t^2 + b t + c is incorrect for the original DE I gave you, but it is correct for a different part of the problem. This step is relating the quadratic to our new equation which we're making with summations.


I think I did this right, to relate them, I calculated out the summation to three terms and plugged them into get:
P(t) = 74.7t^2+1571.6t-28

which I can relate to my quadratic using similarities.
Okay, I didn't do the calculations myself but assuming the arithmetic is correct, this is the "2nd order Taylor Polynomial" for your function.
 

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