How Do You Find the Derivative of e^x^x^2?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \( f(x) = e^{x^{x^2}} \). Participants explore various methods and rules of differentiation, including the chain rule and properties of logarithms, while addressing potential misunderstandings about the expression's structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using logarithmic differentiation, stating \( \ln f(x) = x^2 \ln e^x \), but questions whether this is correct.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivative should be approached using the chain rule.
  • There is a clarification about the interpretation of the expression, with one participant asserting that \( e^{x^{x^2}} \) is not equivalent to \( (e^x)^{x^2} \).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the properties of logarithms, noting that \( e^{x^{x^2}} \neq (e^x)^{x^2} \).
  • A later reply provides a detailed method for differentiating \( e^{x^{x^2}} \), including a formula for derivatives of functions in the form \( [f(x)]^{g(x)} \).

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Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the function and the appropriate method for differentiation. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the validity of the initial logarithmic manipulation.

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Participants highlight the need to clarify the structure of the expression and the assumptions involved in applying differentiation rules. Unresolved issues include the correct application of logarithmic properties and the differentiation of composite functions.

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can someone explain to me how this could be solved?

so far i have:
f(x)=e^x^x^2
lnf(x)= x^2lne^x)

(e and ln cancel?)

f'(x)/f(x)= (x^2)x
f'(x)= f(x) x^3

= (e^x^x^2)(x^3)??


is that right? or do i need to use the power rule or something?
 
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get a clue. use the chain rule.
 
Check to see that you're substituting the natural log derivative correctly.
 
mathwonk you're mean

how do i take the derivative of [itex]f(g(h(x)))[/itex] with respect to x erjkism?
 
erjkism said:
can someone explain to me how this could be solved?

so far i have:
f(x)=e^x^x^2
lnf(x)= x^2lne^x)

(e and ln cancel?)

f'(x)/f(x)= (x^2)x
f'(x)= f(x) x^3

= (e^x^x^2)(x^3)??


is that right? or do i need to use the power rule or something?

Looking at how you've tackled the problem, I'm going to assume you mean:

(e^x)^(x^2), now because ^ isn't an associative binary operator this is quite a bit different from e^(x^(x^2)) and in turn it quite a bit different from ((e^x)^x)^2.

Think about what the actual brackets are and apply the chain rule carefully. I'm fairly confident you've calculated wrong no matter how you look it at, because you haven't really considered what you're differentiating.
 
Which do you mean?

1. [tex]e^{x^{x^2}}=\exp(x^{x^2})[/tex]

2. [tex](e^x)^{x^2}=\exp(x^3)[/tex]

3. [tex]((e^x)^x)^2=\exp(2x^2)[/tex]
 
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I had assumed that you meant
[tex]e^{x^{x^2}}=\exp(x^{x^2})[/tex] (sometimes called an "exponential stack")
since, as CRGreathouse pointed out, the other possibilities can be written more simply.
If that is the case, then
[tex]ln(f)= ln(e^{x^{x^2}})= x^{x^2}[/tex]
NOT [itex]x^2 ln(e^x)[/itex].
 
Why can't
[tex]e^{x^{x^2}}[/tex]
be equal to
[itex]x^2 ln(e^x)[/itex]?

Isn't that a property of logarithms?
 
TMM said:
Why can't
[tex]e^{x^{x^2}}[/tex]
be equal to
[itex]x^2 ln(e^x)[/itex]?

Isn't that a property of logarithms?

No. The property is

[tex]\log b^x=x\cdot\log b[/tex]

but

[tex]e^{x^{x^2}}\neq (e^x)^{x^2}[/tex]

in general.
 
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Hello erjkism.

You're question is one that can easily be solved wrongly. So here the method. Work out the details and prove the formula's used, it's important to learn the methods of proving them in case you can't exactly remember the end results.

Under the assumption that the equation is indeed [tex]exp(x^{x^{2}})[/tex], you could start with the following derivative:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left[exp(f(x))\right]=\frac{df(x)}{dx}\cdot exp(f(x))[/tex]

This will leave you with [tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left[x^{x^{2}}\right][/tex] to solve.

Using the following formula:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left([f(x)]^{g(x)}\right)=[f(x)]^{g(x)}\cdot ln(f(x)) \cdot\frac{dg(x)}{dx} +g(x) \cdot [f(x)]^{g(x)-1}\cdot \frac{df(x)}{dx}[/tex]

with [tex]f(x)=x[/tex] and [tex]g(x)=x^2[/tex], gives you as the result:

[tex]exp(x^{x^{2}}) \cdot x^{x^2+1} \cdot \left(1+ln(x^2)\right)[/tex]

I hope I didn't make a mistake...
 

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