How Do You Integrate x^3 J_0(ax) Over 0 to R?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the form \(\int_{0}^{R} x^3 J_0(ax) dx\), where \(J_0\) is the Bessel function of the first kind and \(a\) is a constant. Participants explore various methods for evaluating this integral, including recurrence relations and numerical approaches, while also addressing related integrals involving Bessel functions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding a solution for the integral and requests assistance.
  • Another participant suggests using Mathematica to evaluate the integral, indicating a potential solution involving a specific formula.
  • A third participant proposes a formula for the integral, asserting it can be expressed in terms of Bessel functions, but does not confirm its correctness.
  • Further contributions involve using recurrence relations of Bessel functions to derive the integral, with varying levels of complexity and detail.
  • One participant introduces a change of variables to simplify the integral, leading to a different formulation involving Bessel functions.
  • Another participant raises a related question about integrating a different power of \(x\) with the Bessel function, indicating a broader interest in Bessel function integrals.
  • Several participants share links to resources and tables of integrals related to Bessel functions, suggesting ongoing efforts to compile useful information.

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There is no clear consensus on the solution to the integral. Multiple approaches and formulas are proposed, but participants do not agree on a definitive answer or method. The discussion remains open with various competing views and techniques presented.

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Participants reference different methods and properties of Bessel functions, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or limitations inherent in the proposed solutions. The complexity of the integrals and the reliance on specific mathematical properties are acknowledged but not fully explored.

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Hello,

I am a geologist working on a fluid mechanics problem. Solving the PDE for my problem, this Bessel integral arises:

\int_{0}^{R} x^3 J_0 (ax) dx

where J_0 is the Bessel function of first kind, and a is a constant.

I haven't found the solution in any table or book, and due to my limited background in applied mathematics I don't know how to integrate it by myself.

Does anybody know the solution?

Thanks a lot in advance
 
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mikel said:
Hello,
I am a geologist working on a fluid mechanics problem. Solving the PDE for my problem, this Bessel integral arises:
\int_{0}^{R} x^3 J_0 (ax) dx
where J_0 is the Bessel function of first kind, and a is a constant.
I haven't found the solution in any table or book, and due to my limited background in applied mathematics I don't know how to integrate it by myself.
Does anybody know the solution?
Thanks a lot in advance

Have you tried plugging into Mathematica:

[tex]\int_0^R x^3 \text{BesselJ[0,ax]}dx[/tex]

?

Wait a minute, let me just flat-out ask how does one verify that:

[tex]\int_0^R x^3 J_0(ax)dx=\frac{1}{a^2}\left[R^2\left\{2J_2(aR)-aRJ_3(aR)\right\}\right][/tex]

Suppose need to first show:

[tex]\int x^3J_0(x)dx=x^2\left[2J_2(x)-xJ_3(x)\right][/tex]
 
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Integrals of Bessel Functions

Use the recurrence relation:

[tex]J_{n-1}(x) = \frac{2n}{x} J_{n}(x) - J_{n+1}(x)[/tex]

to write the integral as

[tex]\int x^3 J_0(x)dx = \int x^3 (\frac{2}{x} J_{1}(x) - J_{2}(x)) dx<br /> = \int (2 x^2 J_{1}(x) - x^3 J_{2}(x) ) dx[/tex]

then use the relation

[tex]x^n J_{n-1}(x) = \frac{d}{dx}[x^n J_{n}(x)][/tex]

on each of the terms and perform the integration...
 
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May be it's too late, for you...but I've just found the same integral studying heat transmission in electro-heating...so don't become mad, i think it's easy:

[tex]\int_0^R x^3 J_0(ax)dx=\frac{1}{a^2}\left[R^2\left\{2J_2(aR)-aRJ_3(aR)\right\}\right][/tex]

[tex]J_3(aR)=\frac{4}{aR}J_2(aR)-J_1(aR)[/tex]

So
[tex]\int_0^R x^3 J_0(ax)dx=\frac{1}{a^2}R^2\left\{2J_2(aR)-(aR)\left[\frac{4}{aR}J_2(aR)-J_1(aR)\right]\right\}=\frac{1}{a^2}R^2\left\{-2J_2(aR)+(aR)J_1(aR)\right\}=<br /> \frac{R^3}{a}J_1(aR)-\frac{2R^2}{a^2}J_2(aR)[/tex]

I hope I'm right, if not...let's talk about!
Bye
 
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Well I was searching for the normalitation of the bessel funtions, and I found this... It was interesting for me so I realice this integral. First of all, I will make a change:
[tex] s= ax \quad \quad ds= a dx \quad \quad x=\frac{s}{a}[/tex]
Take care of limits
[tex] \textrm{If } \quad x=0 \Rightarrow s=0 \textrm{ and if } x=R \Rightarrow s=aR[/tex]

So this: multiplied for 1 = a/a [tex]\int_{0}^{R} x^3 J_0 (ax) dx \Rightarrow \frac{1}{a}\int_{0}^{R} x^3 J_0 (ax) adx[/tex]

Became this:[tex]\frac{1}{a^4} \int_0^{aR} s^3 J_0 (s) ds[/tex]

Next Step is use [tex]J_{n-1}(x) = \frac{2n}{x} J_{n}(x) - J_{n+1}(x)[/tex]

Taking n=1 [tex]\Rightarrow J_{0}(s) = \frac{2}{s} J_{1}(s) - J_{2}(s)[/tex]

Replacing this in the integral:
[tex] \frac{1}{a^4} \int_0^{aR} s^3 J_0 (s) ds = \frac{1}{a^4} \left\{ \int_0^{aR} s^3 \left( \frac{2}{s} J_{1}(s) - J_{2}(s) \right) ds \right\} =<br /> \frac{1}{a^4} \left\{ 2\int_0^{aR} s^2 J_{1}(s) ds - \int_0^{aR} s^3 J_{2}(s) ds \right\}[/tex]

In this time I use:
[tex] \int \frac{d}{ds}[s^n J_{n}(s)] = \int s^n J_{n-1}(s) = \left[s^n J_{n}(s)\right][/tex]

[tex] \frac{1}{a^4} \left\{ 2\int_0^{aR} s^2 J_{1}(s) ds - \int_0^{aR} s^3 J_{2}(s) ds \right\} =\frac{1}{a^4} \left\{2 s^2 J_{2}(s)\left|_0^{aR} \right. - s^3 J_{3}(s)\left|_0^{aR} \right. \right\} =<br /> \frac{1}{a^4} \left\{ \left( 2 (aR)^2 J_{2}(aR) - 0 \right) - \left( (aR)^3 J_{3}(aR) -0\right) \right\}[/tex]
So getting the 1/a4 inside.

[tex] \left[ <br /> \frac{2}{a^2} R^2 J_2(aR) -\frac{1}{a} R^3 J_3(aR)<br /> \right][/tex]

And That's it :) cheers! ... Good look with that work.
 
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I am looking for the solution of \int_{0}^{R} x^5 J_0 (ax) dx
Any ideas about a closed form solution?
Thanks
 
We can obtain a recursion equation for it, which in this case can be solved... The answer is not too "nice" though... ;)
Consider:

[tex]S_n=\int x^n J_0(ax)\; dx[/tex]
In your case n=5.

For bessel functions we now the following recursions :

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(xJ_1(ax)\right)=axJ_0(ax)[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}J_0(ax)=-aJ_1(ax)[/tex]

So we have:

[tex]S_n=\int x^n J_0(ax)\; dx= \frac{1}{a}\int x^{n-1}axJ_0(ax)\; dx = \frac{1}{a}\int x^{n-1}\frac{d}{dx}\left(xJ_1(ax)\right)\;dx = \frac{1}{a}\left[x^{n-1}\cdot x J_1(ax) -\int (n-1) x^{n-2}\cdot x J_1(ax) \;dx\right]=[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{x^n}{a}J_1(ax)+\frac{n-1}{a^2}\int x^{n-1}\cdot\left(-aJ_1(ax)\right)\; dx = \frac{x^n}{a}J_1(ax)+\frac{n-1}{a^2}\int x^{n-1}\cdot\left(\frac{dJ_0(ax)}{dx}\right)\; dx =[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{x^n}{a}J_1(ax) + \frac{n-1}{a^2}\left[x^{n-1}J_0(ax)-\int (n-1) x^{n-2} J_0(ax)\; dx\right] = \frac{x^n}{a}J_1(ax) +\frac{n-1}{a^2}x^{n-1}J_0(ax)-\frac{(n-1)^2}{a^2}\underbrace{\int x^{n-2}J_0(ax)\;dx}_{S_{n-2}}[/tex]

Where we used integration by parts twice.

So we obtained the following recursion:

[tex]S_n=\frac{x^n}{a}J_1(ax) +\frac{n-1}{a^2}x^{n-1}J_0(ax)-\frac{(n-1)^2}{a^2}S_{n-2}[/tex]

for n=1 we have:

[tex]S_1=\int xJ_0(ax)\;dx = \frac{1}{a}\int axJ_0(ax)\; dx = \frac{x}{a} J_1(ax)[/tex]

Using the the recursion for n=5 will be after manipulation:

[tex]S_5 = \int x^5 J_0(ax) \; dx = \frac{4x^4}{a^2}\left[1-\frac{8}{a^2x^2}\right]J_0(ax) +\frac{x^5}{a}\left[1-\frac{16}{a^2x^2}+\frac{48}{a^4x^4}\right]J_1(ax)[/tex]
 
Hi Thaakisfox

Thanks a lot. This will take me some time to digest !

Bye,

SamSvL
 
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To solve some problems I was looking for integrals of Bessel functions.
In the end I decided to make my own table.
It can be found here:

http://www.fh-jena.de/~rsh/Forschung/Stoer/besint.pdf

Perhaps it is still of some use.
I am still working to add some more integrals.
 
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  • #11
Can you turn the formula into tex format?
 
  • #12
Hi
I am interested in finding weighting function in Orthogonal Bessel Functions (w(x)) .

integral|[0,c](w(x)*J(V)*J(W))
I have considered many books but they do not explained how can we obtain it.
I know there are 2 different bessel functions in this case and each have special weighting function in orthogonal condition.
Could anybody help me please?
Best regards
 
  • #13
Hi
I am interested in finding weighting function in Orthogonal Bessel Functions (w(x)) .

[itex]\int[/itex](w(x)*J(V)*J(W))dx
I have considered many books but they do not explained how can we select or obtain it.
I know there are 2 different bessel functions in this case and each have special weighting function in orthogonal condition.
Could anybody help me please?
Best regards
 
  • #14
Off topic:
Im seeing posts from '05 '07 '08 '09 '10 and '12. That's a lot of resurrections.
 
  • #15
To think this thread was created 7 years ago to the day..crazy necro
 

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