How do you know if the focal length is positive or negative?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of focal length in the context of spherical mirrors, particularly how to determine whether it is positive or negative based on given information and conventions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of sign conventions in optics and question how to determine the position of the focal length without explicit information. They discuss the importance of ray diagrams and the orientation of mirrors in understanding focal points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the clarity of the problem setup and the conventions used in optics. Some guidance is offered regarding the interpretation of focal points and the significance of mirror orientation, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential missing information in the problem, such as the orientation of the mirror and whether a drawing is provided. Participants also note the reliance on conventions that may not be explicitly stated in the problem.

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Homework Statement
An object 0.600 cm tall is placed 16.5 cm to the left of the vertex
of a concave spherical mirror having a radius of curvature of 22.0 cm.
(a) Draw a principal-ray diagram showing the formation of the image.
(b) Determine the nature (real or virtual)
of the image
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In this problem, it doesn't tell you where is the focal length.

So how do you know if it is in front or behind the object?
 
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To answer the question in the title...
In optics, there are numerous sign conventions and definitions.
So, "positive" or "negative" depends on conventions (for mirrors and for lenses).

However, with ray diagrams,
the focal points are determined by the physics and the geometry (independent of the conventions).
 
Yes, I'm stumped too. "to the left of" isn't that helpful if there's no other left-right reference. Did you post the entire problem? Is there a drawing with left-right information? Like which way the mirror is oriented. I guess, worst case, you could solve it both ways.

I guess there is a weak convention in optics that rays start in the z-axis direction which is drawn from left to right (usually). Like @Lnewqban's drawing. So that would be my guess.

PS: Maybe I misunderstood. There is clear information about the focal length when they say the mirror is concave. Look that up. If the rays hit the other side of the sphere, they would have said convex.
 
It might help to ask yourself:

What happens to a light ray when it meets the mirror?

What is the physical meaning of the “focal point”?
 

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