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The discussion centers on determining the delta value for a given epsilon in the context of limits, specifically for the function lim (1/x) as x approaches 1 with epsilon set to 0.07. The correct delta is derived using the inequality |(1/x) - 1| < epsilon, leading to the conclusion that delta should be set to min(1, epsilon/(epsilon + 1)). For epsilon = 0.07, this results in a delta of approximately 0.06542. The participants clarify the steps involved in bounding the expression and ensuring the conditions for delta are met.

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Find the delta for the given epsilon. lim (1/x) =1 epsilon=.07
x->1

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I got to here .07526 >x-1> -.06542 so what one is me delta??
 
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blackblanx said:
Find the delta for the given epsilon. lim (1/x) =1 epsilon=.07
x->1

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The Attempt at a Solution


I got to here .07526 >x-1> -.06542 so what one is me delta??

You want a positive number for delta.
 
Mark44 said:
You want a positive number for delta.

I got the problem from http://archives.math.utk.edu/visual.calculus/1/definition.8/index.html and they say that delta is .06542 but they are unclear of how they decided that. How did they come to that conclusion?
 
Let \varepsilon &gt; 0. Assume the existence of a \delta &gt; 0 such that 0 &lt; |x-1| &lt; \delta. Then

\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} .

The |x-1| term already has a bound, so we need some bound on 1/|x|. Suppose that \delta \leq 1 so that
|1| - |x| \leq |1-x| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |x| &gt; 1 - \delta \Rightarrow \frac{1}{|x|} &lt; \frac{1}{1-\delta}.

This implies that

\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} &lt; \frac{\delta}{1 - \delta}.

Requiring this last expression on the right to be \leq \epsilon, we find that setting

\delta = \min(1, \frac{\varepsilon}{\varepsilon + 1})\mbox{ ensures that } \left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| &lt; \varepsilon.

Note: We chose delta to be less than or equal to 1 to make it easier to find a bound for 1/|x|, but we could have picked a number smaller than 1. Any number a > 1 would not work, since this would imply that |x-1| < a which would mean that x is in (1-a, 1+a) and since 1-a < 0 < 1 + a, division by zero could occur.

Note: Plugging in epsilon = .07 gives the delta you were looking for.
 
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Oh, I see thank you snipez.
 
snipez90 said:
Let \varepsilon &gt; 0. Assume the existence of a \delta &gt; 0 such that 0 &lt; |x-1| &lt; \delta. Then

\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} .

The |x-1| term already has a bound, so we need some bound on 1/|x|. Suppose that \delta \leq 1 so that
|1| - |x| \leq |1-x| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |x| &gt; 1 - \delta \Rightarrow \frac{1}{|x|} &lt; \frac{1}{1-\delta}.

This implies that

\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} &lt; \frac{\delta}{1 - \delta}.

Requiring this last expression on the right to be \leq \epsilon, we find that setting

\delta = \min(1, \frac{\varepsilon}{\varepsilon + 1})\mbox{ ensures that } \left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| &lt; \varepsilon.

Note: We chose delta to be less than or equal to 1 to make it easier to find a bound for 1/|x|, but we could have picked a number smaller than 1. Any number a > 1 would not work, since this would imply that |x-1| < a which would mean that x is in (1-a, 1+a) and since 1-a < 0 < 1 + a, division by zero could occur.

Note: Plugging in epsilon = .07 gives the delta you were looking for.

but can you explain your steps a little more please, I've never seen it done like that before. up at the top how did X-1<delta turn into l1l-lxl<=l1-xl<=delta
 

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