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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate delta for a given epsilon in the context of limits, specifically for the function lim (1/x) as x approaches 1, with epsilon set to 0.07.

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  • Participants share their attempts to calculate delta, with some expressing confusion about the bounds and the reasoning behind their choices. Questions arise regarding the clarity of definitions and the steps taken to arrive at specific values.

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Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind the calculations, while others seek further clarification on specific steps and the logic used in the process. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring delta is a positive number and discuss constraints related to the bounds of x in relation to delta. There is mention of a source that provides a delta value but lacks clarity on the derivation of that value.

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Find the delta for the given epsilon. lim (1/x) =1 epsilon=.07
x->1

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I got to here .07526 >x-1> -.06542 so what one is me delta??
 
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blackblanx said:
Find the delta for the given epsilon. lim (1/x) =1 epsilon=.07
x->1

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I got to here .07526 >x-1> -.06542 so what one is me delta??

You want a positive number for delta.
 
Mark44 said:
You want a positive number for delta.

I got the problem from http://archives.math.utk.edu/visual.calculus/1/definition.8/index.html and they say that delta is .06542 but they are unclear of how they decided that. How did they come to that conclusion?
 
Let [tex]\varepsilon > 0.[/tex] Assume the existence of a [tex]\delta > 0[/tex] such that [tex]0 < |x-1| < \delta.[/tex] Then

[tex]\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} .[/tex]

The |x-1| term already has a bound, so we need some bound on 1/|x|. Suppose that [tex]\delta \leq 1[/tex] so that
[tex]|1| - |x| \leq |1-x| < \delta \Rightarrow |x| > 1 - \delta \Rightarrow \frac{1}{|x|} < \frac{1}{1-\delta}.[/tex]

This implies that

[tex]\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} < \frac{\delta}{1 - \delta}.[/tex]

Requiring this last expression on the right to be [tex]\leq \epsilon,[/tex] we find that setting

[tex]\delta = \min(1, \frac{\varepsilon}{\varepsilon + 1})\mbox{ ensures that } \left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| < \varepsilon.[/tex]

Note: We chose delta to be less than or equal to 1 to make it easier to find a bound for 1/|x|, but we could have picked a number smaller than 1. Any number a > 1 would not work, since this would imply that |x-1| < a which would mean that x is in (1-a, 1+a) and since 1-a < 0 < 1 + a, division by zero could occur.

Note: Plugging in epsilon = .07 gives the delta you were looking for.
 
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Oh, I see thank you snipez.
 
snipez90 said:
Let [tex]\varepsilon > 0.[/tex] Assume the existence of a [tex]\delta > 0[/tex] such that [tex]0 < |x-1| < \delta.[/tex] Then

[tex]\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} .[/tex]

The |x-1| term already has a bound, so we need some bound on 1/|x|. Suppose that [tex]\delta \leq 1[/tex] so that
[tex]|1| - |x| \leq |1-x| < \delta \Rightarrow |x| > 1 - \delta \Rightarrow \frac{1}{|x|} < \frac{1}{1-\delta}.[/tex]

This implies that

[tex]\left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| = |x-1|\cdot\frac{1}{|x|} < \frac{\delta}{1 - \delta}.[/tex]

Requiring this last expression on the right to be [tex]\leq \epsilon,[/tex] we find that setting

[tex]\delta = \min(1, \frac{\varepsilon}{\varepsilon + 1})\mbox{ ensures that } \left|\frac{1}{x} - 1\right| < \varepsilon.[/tex]

Note: We chose delta to be less than or equal to 1 to make it easier to find a bound for 1/|x|, but we could have picked a number smaller than 1. Any number a > 1 would not work, since this would imply that |x-1| < a which would mean that x is in (1-a, 1+a) and since 1-a < 0 < 1 + a, division by zero could occur.

Note: Plugging in epsilon = .07 gives the delta you were looking for.

but can you explain your steps a little more please, I've never seen it done like that before. up at the top how did X-1<delta turn into l1l-lxl<=l1-xl<=delta
 

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