How do you know when to use substituion or integration by parts?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the techniques of integration, specifically focusing on when to use substitution versus integration by parts. Participants explore their experiences and strategies for determining the most effective method for solving integrals, emphasizing practice and intuition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that trying both substitution and integration by parts is essential to determine which technique works best for a given integral.
  • One participant mentions that over time and with practice, individuals can develop an intuition for which technique is more suitable for specific problems.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of practicing both individual exercises and mixed problems to become familiar with different types of integrals.
  • A participant corrects the terminology used in the thread, pointing out that 'iteration by parts' is not a recognized method.
  • One contribution outlines a systematic approach to integration, recommending to first look for substitutions, then consider simpler techniques, and finally resort to integration by parts if necessary.
  • Another participant highlights the joy of discovering solutions independently, suggesting that practice is key to understanding when to apply each technique.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of practice in mastering integration techniques, but there is no consensus on a definitive method for deciding between substitution and integration by parts. Multiple views on the best approach remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention "rules of thumb" for choosing techniques, but these are not universally accepted and depend on individual experience. The discussion reflects a variety of personal strategies and insights rather than a single authoritative method.

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When you have a fraction, how do you know when to use iteration by parts, or use substituion, pick a u, solve for a value of x (like x=u-2) and then plug in those values?
 
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You try both and see which works!
 
The way you know when a particular technique of integration is better suited to a particular integral over another technique is you try both ways and decide which is better. Over time and practice you will build an intuition regarding which technique will be best for a given problem in advance.

While there are some "rules of thumb" regarding when to use some techniques, the only real way to know when to use them is by practicing. Some (most in my experience) problems open themselves up to multiple techniques, and I would strongly encourage you to try them all when you have the time (i.e. when you aren't taking a timed exam). If you approach each practice problem with a "how many different ways can this be solved" mentality (i.e. it's not really solved until you know all of the solutions, not just the one you stumbled across first), you will soon figure out which techniques work best for which kinds of problems.
 
I think you mean 'integration by parts'. 'Iteration by parts' has no meaning.
 
In my case the textbook had separate exercises for integration by parts and substitution and at the end there were mixed problems.
Solving those individual exercises will get you familiar with the types of problems, then you test yourself by trying to solve mixed problems.
So precise answer to your question would be practice practice practice.
You should be able to find as many techniques as possible to solve one question but use the most convenient one as your final solution.
 
emlekarc said:
how do you know when to use iteration by parts, or use substituion

You ask a question which can be answered, but if we answer it for you it robs you the joy of discovering that yourself! So as others have said it is best recommended to practice and find when one technique is more suited than another. It helps not only to solve an ensemble of questions, but to take a higher position and invent questions! You will try to tinker and totter and tailor the problem around one technique! It is this vantage point that will give you your insight.

If you insist though, it is our duty to reply, no matter the hesitation it might cause. In short, the practice goes like this:

(1) always "look" for substitutions: find quantities which if exchanged with some other variable, has its derivative contained in the integrand.

For example, if I am integrating an x/(x^2-1), it is immediately advantageous to recast the denominator as a variable u since its derivative is, modulo some constant, the rest of the integrand itself!

(2) If above fails, resort to your next simple techniques (when you learn them, they might be trigonometric substitutions).

(3) If all of the above fails, it is here you concede to integration by parts, as usually it is the most exceeding in effort to calculate. Think of the method as a reverse product rule. Re-write the integrand as a derivative of the product and watch the magic happen.

For example, If I am integrating x cos(x), I might rewrite that as the derivative of the product x sin(x) subtracted from the term I was otherwise not entitled too (that is, I will additionally minus away the sin(x). I than notice that integrating the d/dx (x sin(x)) - sin(x) is fantastically easier than when in the original form.
 

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