Undergrad How do you move floors and ceilings in discrete math?

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The discussion focuses on the manipulation of logarithmic and ceiling functions in discrete mathematics, specifically addressing how to eliminate these functions from inequalities. The example provided illustrates the transformation of the logarithmic expression, where raising the base to eliminate the log is demonstrated. Additionally, the challenge of handling ceilings in discrete functions is highlighted, with an emphasis on determining the largest value that satisfies the inequality involving ceilings.

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The title more accurately should have been "How do you cancel floors and ceilings in discrete functions"

For instance,

##\frac{log{\frac{3x}{-6(z)}}}{8t} < 1##

If I wanted to get rid of the log, I'd just raise the expression by base 10.

##\frac{(\frac{3x}{-6(z)})}{10^{8t}} < 10^1##

But what happens if there's a roof for discrete functions?

##\frac{\lceil{log \frac{10x}{4y}}\rceil}{8z} < 1##

How do I handle this?

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EDIT NOTICE: the expressions above have been fixed into its their proper inequalities
 
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iScience said:
For instance,

##\frac{log{\frac{3x}{-6(z)}}}{8t}##

If I wanted to get rid of the log, I'd just raise the expression by base 10.

##\frac{(\frac{3x}{-6(z)})}{10^{8t}}##
i rather hope you would not do that, since it is wrong.
 
oops, sorry, here's the other side

##\frac{log(stuff)}{8t} < 1 ##

##\frac{stuff}{10^{8t}} < 10 ##
 
iScience said:
oops, sorry, here's the other side

##\frac{log(stuff)}{8t} < 1 ##

##\frac{stuff}{10^{8t}} < 10 ##
Still wrong.

##\frac{\log(stuff)}{8t} < 1 ##
##\log(stuff)<8t##
##stuff<10^{8t}##
For your ceil question, it might help if you state the entire problem.
 
iScience said:
But what happens if there's a roof for discrete functions?

##\frac{\lceil{log \frac{10x}{4y}}\rceil}{8z} < 1##
Assuming z>0, z>0 leads to a very similar case:
##\lceil{stuff\rceil} < 8z##
What is the largest value of stuff that satisfies the inequality? Once you found that, you can continue with the usual approaches.
 

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