How Do You Perform a 90 Degree Rotation of a Complex Number Around a Point?

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The discussion revolves around the process of performing a 90-degree rotation of a complex number around a specific point, particularly the point 2+i. Participants explore various methods and notations for executing this rotation, including the use of Euler's formula and complex number properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to rotating the point 2+i by first translating it to the origin, applying a rotation, and then translating it back, but expresses uncertainty about the algebraic interpretation.
  • Another participant states that a 90-degree rotation can be achieved by multiplying by i, providing an example calculation.
  • A different participant inquires about the method for a 45-degree rotation, presenting their own calculations and expressing confusion about the notation used.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of notation, particularly regarding the representation of complex numbers and the operations performed on them.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of Euler's equation and the concept of complex conjugation in performing operations on complex numbers.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "rotating a point," suggesting that the rotation should be around the origin and explaining the geometric interpretation of such rotations.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original intent was to rotate the complex plane around the point 2+i, confirming the correctness of the initial approach and providing a combined mapping for the transformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of rotation, with some focusing on rotating the point itself and others on rotating the complex plane around a point. There is no consensus on the clarity of notation or the best method for performing the rotation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion stemming from notation and the lack of worked examples in the referenced book. There are also unresolved questions regarding the steps involved in the rotation process and the interpretation of angles in radians versus degrees.

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I'm reading this book on modern geometry and I was wondering if I'm doing these problems right:


if I'm give a point 2+i and I'm suppose to rotate is 90 degrees

first I move it to the origin

T(z)=z-(2+i)

second, I rotate it

e^(pi/2*i)*z

I'm not sure how to interpret that algebraically

then i replace it

T^-1(z)= z+(2+i)


Am I actually doing this right, the book I'm reading is kind of old and doesn't have many worked examples.
 
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A 90 degree rotation is accomplished by multiplication by i.

(2+i)i = 2i -1
 
then how is a 45 degree rotation accomplished, in the one example (ill type the whole thing out)

rotate by 45 degrees at point i

f(z)=z-i
g(z)=e^(i*pi/4)z= (1+i)z/sqrt(2)
f^-1(z)=(1+i)(z-i)/sqrt(2) + i

which equals

(1+i)z+i*sqrt(2)-i+1/sqrt(2)
 
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I don't understand your notation.

what is f(z) z-i ?

To rotate 45 degrees multiply by e^(i*theta), where theta is in radians.

45 degrees is equal to pi/4 radians.
 
right, i don't understand how the book's example came out with sqrt(2) at the bottom
 
oh sorry, i realized that i forgot equal signs
 
You're notation is still hard to follow. For instance, the letter z is usually used to express a complex number. z = x+iy.

There are some basic tools you need to perform operations on complex numbers.

1 Euler's Equation. \ e^{i \theta} = cos(\theta) + i sin(\theta)

Where x=cos(\theta) and y= sin(\theta), a number in the form X+iY can be expressed in the form \ Z e^{i \Theta}.

(In this case 'Z' is a magnitude, a real positive value--so much for conventions.)

X,Y,Z, and theta are all real valued numbers, and Z is positive.

2 Complex Conjugation.

The complex conjugate of \ X+iY is \ X-iY.

You just negate the imaginary part to get the complex conjugate.

3 Division.

c = a+ib
z = x+iy

What is the value of c/z expressed in the form X+iY ?

\frac{c}{z} = \frac{a+ib}{x+iy}

Multiply the numerator and denominator by the complex conjugate of the denominator.

\frac{c}{z} = \frac{(a+ib)(x-iy)}{(x+iy)(x-iy)}

\ \ \ \ \ \ = \frac{(a+ib)(x-iy)}{x^2 + y^2}

\ \ \ \ \ \ = \frac{(ax+by) + i(bx - ay)}{x^2 + y^2}

\ \ \ \ \ \ = \frac{ax+by}{x^2 + y^2} + i \frac{(bx - ay)}{x^2 + y^2}
 
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I'm confused as to what you mean by "rotating a point". Do you mean rotate around the origin? If you mean "rotate the point 2+ i 90 degrees about the origin", you don't need a formula for a general rotation. Rotating the x-axis 90 degrees takes it into the positive y-axis. Rotating the positive y-axis 90 degrees takes it into the negative x-axis. That is, the point (x,y) is rotated into the point (-y, x).
 
It sounds as though you're trying to rotate the complex plane around the point 2+i, rather than rotating the point 2+i around the origin. In this case you're doing the right thing: Given a complex number z, you first translate so that 2+i is at the origin (ie subtract 2+i) then you rotate by 90 degrees (ie multiply by i) and finally you translate back so that the point 2+i is back where it started. Step-by-step:

z -> z - (2+i)
z -> iz
z -> z + (2+i)

so if you combine all of these into a single mapping you get

z -> iz + 3 - i

You can check that plugging 2+i into this formula just gives you 2+i back.

If you wanted to rotate by an arbitrary angle theta, then you replace step 2 by

z -> exp(i*theta) z
 

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