How Do You Prove the Sum of Sequential Odd Squares Formula?

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The discussion revolves around proving the formula for the sum of the squares of sequential odd numbers, specifically the expression 1^2 + 3^2 + ... + (2n + 1)^2, and showing that it equals (1/3)(n + 1)(2n + 1)(2n + 3) for natural numbers n.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the basis step of the proof for n=1 and the assumption for n=k, exploring how to extend the proof to n=k+1.
  • Some participants suggest factoring and manipulating the expression to simplify the proof.
  • Questions arise regarding how to eliminate an addition sign in the expression and whether the notation clearly indicates the sum of odd squares.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for factoring and expanding terms. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the problem statement and the approach to proving the formula, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the problem notation, specifically whether it pertains to the sum of all squares up to (2n + 1) or just the squares of odd numbers. This distinction is critical for the proof.

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Show that 1^2+3^2+...(2n+1)^2

Homework Statement



show

1^2+3^2+...+(2n+1)^2=1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3) whenever n is an element of natural numbers.



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So I started with the basis step of proving true for n=1

so 1^2+...+(2(1)+1)^2=1/3(1+1)(2+1)(2+3)

so 10 = 1/3(2)(3)(5) =10 so true for n=1

Assume true for n=k

Show it true for n=k+1

so 1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2+(2k+3)= 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)+(2k+3)^2

as 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)=1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2

But I don't know where to go from here??

I have to get it in the form

1/3(odd integer)(odd integer)(odd integer). don't I??
 
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hi charmedbeauty! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
charmedbeauty said:
so 1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2+(2k+3)= 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)+(2k+3)^2

as 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)=1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2

subtract? :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
hi charmedbeauty! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)


subtract? :wink:


but what can I subtract from this

1/3(k+1)(2k+1)(2k+3)+(2k+3)2

if I expand out I get

1/3(4k3+12k2+11k+3)+1/3(12k2+36k+27)

rounding up terms..

1/3(4k3+24k2+47k+30)

where does the subtraction come from? I thought the two original terms above were separated by addition?
 
charmedbeauty said:
but what can I subtract from this

1/3(k+1)(2k+1)(2k+3)+(2k+3)2

it'll help to factor out (2k+3) first :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
it'll help to factor out (2k+3) first :wink:

you mean something like this..

(2k+3)(1/3(k+1)(2k+1)+(2k+3))

But I still can't see what to do?
 


charmedbeauty said:
you mean something like this..

(2k+3)(1/3(k+1)(2k+1)+(2k+3))

But I still can't see what to do?

You want to show that result is the same as putting n to be n+1 in (1/3)(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3). That's (1/3)(n+2)(2n+3)(2n+5). Is it?
 


Dick said:
You want to show that result is the same as putting n to be n+1 in (1/3)(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3). That's (1/3)(n+2)(2n+3)(2n+5). Is it?

Yes I can see but the problem I keep on having is I'm always left with that stupid addition sign, how do I make it go away?
 


charmedbeauty said:
Yes I can see but the problem I keep on having is I'm always left with that stupid addition sign, how do I make it go away?

If you expand out (1/3)(n+2)(2n+3)(2n+5) do you get the same thing as (1/3)(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)+(2n+3)^2?
 


charmedbeauty said:

Homework Statement



show

1^2+3^2+...+(2n+1)^2=1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3) whenever n is an element of natural numbers.



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So I started with the basis step of proving true for n=1

so 1^2+...+(2(1)+1)^2=1/3(1+1)(2+1)(2+3)

so 10 = 1/3(2)(3)(5) =10 so true for n=1

Assume true for n=k

Show it true for n=k+1

so 1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2+(2k+3)= 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)+(2k+3)^2

as 1/3(n+1)(2n+1)(2n+3)=1^2+3^2+...(2k+1)^2

But I don't know where to go from here??

I have to get it in the form

1/3(odd integer)(odd integer)(odd integer). don't I??

Your problem notation did not make clear whether you were dealing with problem (1) or (2) below:
(1) sum_{j <= 2n+1} j^2 (all numbers from 1 to 2n+1), or
(2) sum_{j <= 2n+1, j ODD} j^2 (odd numbers only from 1 to 2n+1).

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Your problem notation did not make clear whether you were dealing with problem (1) or (2) below:
(1) sum_{j <= 2n+1} j^2 (all numbers from 1 to 2n+1), or
(2) sum_{j <= 2n+1, j ODD} j^2 (odd numbers only from 1 to 2n+1).

RGV

Yes it did. The first two terms were 1^2+3^2, and that's enough to imply the second, as the first's second term would be 2^2, not 3^2.
 
  • #11


Whovian said:
Yes it did. The first two terms were 1^2+3^2, and that's enough to imply the second, as the first's second term would be 2^2, not 3^2.

You'r right. Sorry. I need my morning coffee.

RGV
 

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