How Do You Redefine Grad, Div, and Curl in a New Coordinate System?

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This discussion focuses on redefining the gradient (grad), divergence (div), and curl operators when transitioning from Cartesian to polar coordinates using the chain rule. The user provides detailed calculations for the derivatives of the radius (r) and angle (θ) in terms of Cartesian coordinates, demonstrating how to express the gradient in polar coordinates. The transformation equations are clearly outlined, showing the relationships between the derivatives in both coordinate systems.

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hi all,
Simple questions..

I am dealing with the del operator (grad, div curl) in one coord system, but say I parametrise my system into another one. How then do I redefine the grad, div, and curl operators.

Any links would be really helpful.
 
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Use the chain rule. For example, the grad of a function in Cartesian coordinates is given by f_x\vec{i}+ f_y\vec{j}.

In terms of polar coordinates,
\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{dr}\frac{dr}{dx}+ \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dx}

Of course r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2} so dr/dx= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= x/(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}= r cos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)

and \theta= arctan(y/x) so d\theta/dx= (1/(1+ y^2/x^2))(-y/x^2) and d\theta/dx= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -r sin(\theta)/r^2= (-1/r) sin(\theta)

That is, df/dx= cos(theta) df/dr- (1/r) sin(\theta) df/d\thetaand you can do the same thing for df/dy.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Use the chain rule. For example, the grad of a function in Cartesian coordinates is given by f_x\vec{i}+ f_y\vec{j}.

In terms of polar coordinates,
\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{dr}\frac{dr}{dx}+ \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dx}

Of course r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2} so dr/dx= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= x/(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}= r cos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)

and \theta= arctan(y/x) so d\theta/dx= (1/(1+ y^2/x^2))(-y/x^2) and d\theta/dx= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -r sin(\theta)/r^2= (-1/r) sin(\theta)

That is, df/dx= cos(theta) df/dr- (1/r) sin(\theta) df/d\theta and you can do the same thing for df/dy.


Hey, thanks a lot for the reply!
 

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