How Do You Rotate a Complex Number by 270 Degrees?

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The discussion centers on the geometric rotation of complex numbers, specifically how to rotate a complex number (a + bi) by various degrees, including 270 degrees. Participants explore different methods of achieving these rotations, including multiplication by specific complex numbers and the use of Euler's formula.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that multiplying (a + bi) by (-i) produces a 270-degree rotation, reasoning that a 90-degree rotation results from multiplying by (i).
  • Another participant introduces Euler's formula, implying its relevance to understanding rotations of complex numbers.
  • Some participants discuss the interpretation of complex numbers as vectors and the use of transformation matrices for rotations.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between the powers of (i) and the corresponding degree rotations, with a participant noting that multiplying (a + bi) by (i) raised to various powers yields specific rotations.
  • A later reply emphasizes that to rotate by a specific angle x degrees, one should multiply by a complex number whose argument is x degrees, referencing the conversion of degrees to radians.

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Participants express varying methods and interpretations for achieving rotations of complex numbers, with no consensus on a single approach. The discussion remains open-ended, with multiple competing views on the best method to apply.

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Some participants note the multivalued nature of the argument in complex numbers, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding angles and rotations.

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Question, in order to produce a 270 degree geometric rotation of the complex number (a + bi), would this be correct:
(a + bi) * (-i)
It seems logical since a 90 degree rotation results from (a + bi) * (i)
Next question. What would be the equations for rotation of (a + bi) by 45 degrees, 135 degrees, 225 degrees ?
Thanks for help.
 
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hypermorphism said:
Do you know the Euler formula ?
Is it standard here in the math section of the forum to answer a question with a question ?
 
You can either think of complex numbers as vectors and hence use a suitable transformation matrix, or you can think about their arguments (i.e. the angles they make with the +ve real line).

So, yes, multiplication by -i will rotate a complex number by 270 deg (in the anticlockwise direction), since the argument of -i is 270, and when you multiply complex numbers you add their arguments. This is what hypermorphism was hinting at: Euler's formula can prove this. Since if z=a+ib and w=c+id are two complex numbers with arguments p and q, then z=|z|e^(ip) and w=|w|e^(iq), and hence zw=|wz|e^(i(p+q)).

So in the spirit of the standard of answering a question with a question:
Can you see how to apply this to rotations of any degree? :smile:
 
devious_ said:
You can either think of complex numbers as vectors and hence use a suitable transformation matrix, or you can think about their arguments (i.e. the angles they make with the +ve real line).
So, yes, multiplication by -i will rotate a complex number by 270 deg (in the anticlockwise direction), since the argument of -i is 270, and when you multiply complex numbers you add their arguments. This is what hypermorphism was hinting at: Euler's formula can prove this. Since if z=a+ib and w=c+id are two complex numbers with arguments p and q, then z=|z|e^(ip) and w=|w|e^(iq), and hence zw=|wz|e^(i(p+q)).
So in the spirit of the standard of answering a question with a question:
Can you see how to apply this to rotations of any degree? :smile:
Thanks for your help. I am not a mathematician--obvious from the question--since the answer ends up being basic. I see the degree rotations (0 to 360) of a complex number (a + bi) when operated on by i being related to raising (i) to various powers, thus (a + bi) * i ^ 1 = 90 degree rotation, * i ^ 2 180 degrees, * i ^ 3 270 degrees, * i ^ 4 360 (or 0 degrees). To find any single degree rotation one must find the correct power of i by which (a + bi) is multiplied,--so, is there a Table of Powers of i that give all 360 degrees--perhaps an internet link ?
 
As devious_ mentioned (and what follows from Euler), the argument of the product of two complex numbers is the sum of their arguments*. So if you want to rotate by x degrees, you'd want to multiply by a number whose argument is x degrees. The argument of [tex]e^{ix}[/tex] is x radians*, and it's absolute value is 1 (the absolute value needs to be 1 if you just want a rotation). Convert degrees to radians, and use Euler's if you want to get in a+bi form.*modulo the multivalued nature of the argument, i.e. up to multiples of 2*pi
 

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