How Do You Simplify the Determinant of This 4x4 Matrix?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves simplifying the determinant of a specific 4x4 matrix with a particular structure, where the diagonal elements are 'a' and the off-diagonal elements are 'b'.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods for simplifying the determinant, including factoring out 'a', using cofactor expansion, and considering the implications of row operations. There is also mention of block matrices and the potential for simplification through row subtraction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning the effectiveness of their methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding row operations and matrix properties, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the tedious nature of the algebra involved and the potential for alternative methods to simplify the process. Participants express uncertainty about the best approach and the implications of their assumptions.

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Homework Statement


Hello, I am stuck on this particular question for my homework.

It is a 4x4 Matrix that consists of

a b b b

b a b b

b b a b

b b b b




The Attempt at a Solution




My approach has been to factor out the a to give the first row of 1 b b b and then use that to make the first column consist of

1
0
0
0

and so i can then do the cofactor expansion and reduce it to a 3x3 matrix. but after that step, it gets extremely tedious and i believe that the approach must be wrong.

Can anyone point out a simpler approach to this question or was I on the right track and just have to endure the tedious algebra?
 
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erodger said:
My approach has been to factor out the a to give the first row of 1 b b b

How did you do that? If you factor out a, you get 1 \quad \frac{b}{a} \quad \frac{b}{a} \quad \frac{b}{a}

Can anyone point out a simpler approach to this question

Hint: What do you know about block matrices? Specifically, if each block is 2x2 and you have 2x2 of them?
 
erodger said:
It is a 4x4 Matrix that consists of

a b b b

b a b b

b b a b

b b b b




Can anyone point out a simpler approach to this question or was I on the right track and just have to endure the tedious algebra?


Why not subtracting the fourth row from all others?


ehild
 
yeah that fourth row subtraction may have been the best... oh well i solved it by converting that into 4 3x3 matrices and then solving all of those 3x3 matrices.

thanks for the replies though.
 
Subtracting the fourth raw from all other rows, you get the determinant

(a-b) 0 0 0
0 (a-b) 0 0
0 0 (a-b) 0
b b b b

Expand with respect to the fourth column.

ehild
 
In fact, because that is a "lower triangular" matrix, its determinant is just the product of the numbers on the main diagonal.

In any case, your suggestion that he subtract the last row from each of the other rows was excellent.
 
HallsofIvy said:
In fact, because that is a "lower triangular" matrix, its determinant is just the product of the numbers on the main diagonal.
.

I knew it but I could not tell the complete solution. :biggrin:

ehild
 
Well, he still has to do the multiplication!:-p
 

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