How Do You Solve Differential Equations Using Reduction of Order?

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation using the method of reduction of order. The specific equation is 4x^2y'' + y = 0, with a known solution y_1 = √x ln x.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of the function V(x) and its relationship to the coefficient P(x). There are questions about the integration process and the implications of constants in the equation. Some participants express confusion over the steps involved in applying the reduction of order method.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying the definitions of terms used in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for the leading coefficient to be 1 and the correct formula for V(x). There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Participants mention constraints such as the teacher's approach to constants and the complexity of derivatives involved in the problem. There is also a note about the original poster's uncertainty regarding the formula for V(x) and the implications of assuming certain values.

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Homework Statement



Solve the following using the method of reduction of order.

[itex]4x^2y''+y=0[/itex]
[itex]y_1=\sqrt{x}lnx[/itex]


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[itex]y_2=v(x)y_1[/itex]

v(x) = ∫ (e^(-∫P(x)dx / y_1) Sorry if that's tough to read, couldn't figure out the latex for it, but it's supposed to be a formula for V(x).

The Attempt at a Solution



K so, Y_2 = V(x)y_1.

In this case P(x) is 0, correct? Because there is no y' term.

That's what is throwing me off. Our teacher often just sort of ignores constants when he's teaching, so I'm not quite sure what to do.

I end up with

[itex]V(x) = \int e^k x^{-1/2} lnx dx[/itex]

I don't know what to do with that. I'm not sure if he just wants us to say that V(x)y_1 is the solution, or if he wants us to simplify it out.

Any thoughts? Either way I wouldn't have the slightest clue how to go about integrating that.
 
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I don't know what the ##k## in your answer is and without you showing more steps it's hard to help you. Your ##V(x)## isn't correct. Don't forget you need the leading coefficient to be ##1## when you calculate the integrating factor. Show us your work.

For what it's worth, the second solution comes out nice and simple.
 
Since you didn't tell us what "P(x)" is supposed to mean, we cannot tell you what function it is. As for "[itex]V(x)= \int e^k x^{1/2}ln(x)dx[/itex]", where did that "k" come from? There is no "k" in anything you wrote before.
 
P(x) is the coefficient of the y' term. So P(x) is zero... the integral of 0 is K, that's where the K came from.

When you say V(x) is incorrect, do you mean the formula or the V(x) I ended up with? The latter wouldn't surprise me, that's why I'm here for help, but the former I copied from the board.

If I go through the steps to solve for V(x) the problem gets very messy because there are so many derivatives of x^(1/2)ln x. That's why I assumed he wanted us to use the formula.

As for more steps, well... according to my teacher I should just plug P(x) and y1 into the formula for V(x) and multiply by y1 to get y2.

Anyway, I am about to head to class and I will ask him. I will post my findings here.

Thanks for the help.
 
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Just to give you a point of reference, if you go through the steps to find ##v(x)##, you should wind up with this DE after simplifying$$
v''x\ln x+v'\ln x+2v'=0$$And don't forget you need the leading coefficient to be 1 when you calculate the integrating factor so you can solve for ##v'##.
 
I got some help today on campus. The problem was with my formula for V(x). I have it written in my notes wrong. The actual formula should have a denominator of y^2, not just y.

Also about the constant, the teacher told me just to assume it is 0. I will probably never take another 5-week math course, it is making my head spin.

Everything fell into place once I realized that, but thank you both for your help!
 

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