How Do You Solve Nested Absolute Value Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving a nested absolute value equation: | |x+1| +2| - | x-2 | = 3. Participants explore the implications of absolute value properties and attempt to find solutions through various cases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss different cases based on the value of x, questioning the validity of certain proposed solutions. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the absolute values change, and some participants express uncertainty about the application of a theorem regarding absolute values.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the structure of the problem and questioning assumptions made by others. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of absolute values, but no consensus on a solution has been reached.

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There is a mention of a theorem provided by a teacher, which some participants believe may not apply directly to the problem at hand. Additionally, there is a focus on whether certain expressions can ever be negative, which influences the interpretation of the equation.

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Solve:

| |x+1| +2| - | x-2 | = 3

Relevant equations:

if |x| = a, then x = a; x = -a

My attempt:
|x+1| +2 - (x-2) = 3 ; |x+1| + 2 - (x-2) = -3 (by theorem provided by teacher above)
|x+1| = x- 1 ; |x+1| = x-7

if |x+1| < 0:

-(x+1) = x -1
-x - 1 = x - 1
-2x = 0
x = 0
------------------------
-(x+1) = x-7
-x-1 = x-7
-2x = -6
x = 3If |x+1| => 0:

x+1 = x-1
1≠ -1
-------------------------
x+1 = x-7
1≠ -7
The answer is 1 and I'm not sure if the theorem my teacher provided applies...
 
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Are you giving this any thought or just trying to copy what you have seen before?

x= -1 is clearly NOT the solution, it does not satisfy the equation:
|x+ 1|= 0 so ||x+1|+ 2|= |2|= 2 while |x- 2|= |-1- 2|= |-3|= 3. 2- 3 is NOT equal to 3.

I would start off doing this is a series of cases:

case 1) x> 2
Then x> -1 so |x+1|= x+ 1 and then |x+1|+ 2= x+ 1+ 2= x+ 3> 0 so ||x+1|+ 2|= x+ 3.

case 2) -1\le x\le 2
|x+ 1| is still equal to x+ 1 so ||x+1|+ 2|= |x+ 3|= x+ 3 but now |x- 2|= 2- x. The equation becomes x+ 3- (2- x)= 2x+ 1= 3. 2x= 2, x= 1.
If x= 1, |x+ 1|= 2 so ||x+1|+ 2|.

case 3) x< -1.
|x+ 1|= -x- 1 so ||x+ 1|+ 2|= |-x-1+ 2|= |-x+ 1|. With x< -1, that is positive so ||x+ 1|+ 2|= -x+ 1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Are you giving this any thought or just trying to copy what you have seen before?

x= -1 is clearly NOT the solution, it does not satisfy the equation:
|x+ 1|= 0 so ||x+1|+ 2|= |2|= 2 while |x- 2|= |-1- 2|= |-3|= 3. 2- 3 is NOT equal to 3.

I would start off doing this is a series of cases:

case 1) x> 2
Then x> -1 so |x+1|= x+ 1 and then |x+1|+ 2= x+ 1+ 2= x+ 3> 0 so ||x+1|+ 2|= x+ 3.

case 2) -1\le x\le 2
|x+ 1| is still equal to x+ 1 so ||x+1|+ 2|= |x+ 3|= x+ 3 but now |x- 2|= 2- x. The equation becomes x+ 3- (2- x)= 2x+ 1= 3. 2x= 2, x= 1.
If x= 1, |x+ 1|= 2 so ||x+1|+ 2|.

case 3) x< -1.
|x+ 1|= -x- 1 so ||x+ 1|+ 2|= |-x-1+ 2|= |-x+ 1|. With x< -1, that is positive so ||x+ 1|+ 2|= -x+ 1.

Oh i meant to type 1, sorry for the typo :(
 
HerroFish said:
Solve:

| |x+1| +2| - | x-2 | = 3

Relevant equations:

if |x| = a, then x = a; x = -a

My attempt:
|x+1| +2 - (x-2) = 3 ; |x+1| + 2 - (x-2) = -3 (by theorem provided by teacher above)
...

The answer is 1 and I'm not sure if the theorem my teacher provided applies...
Supposing that the theorem provided by teacher is:
If |x| = a, where a ≥ 0, then x = a, or x = -a .​
That theorem cannot be directly applied to the equation
| |x+1| +2 | - | x-2 | = 3​
in the manner which you applied it.

Another way to state that theorem is:
If |x| = a, where a ≥ 0, then x = a, or -x = a .​
If you carefully consider the first term in your equation, the one with the absolute value inside the absolute value, you can simplify the equation a bit.

Is |x+1| + 2 ever negative? ... No !

Then | |x+1| +2 | = |x+1| +2 .
 

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