How Do You Test Coax Cable Assembly Characteristics Using a VNA and Smith Chart?

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The discussion revolves around testing the characteristics of coaxial cable assemblies, specifically focusing on loss, resistance, capacitance, and inductance using a Vector Network Analyzer (VNA) and Smith Chart. Participants explore methods for measuring these parameters and the implications of different cable lengths and terminations.

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  • One participant inquires about the procedure for testing coax cable assemblies for loss, resistance, capacitance, and inductance using a VNA in Smith Chart mode, questioning the need to sweep S11 with various terminations.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the length of the cable assembly and the frequency range for which inductance and capacitance are needed.
  • A participant explains that for measuring loss, one can plot S21 in rectangular form with the correct termination to observe signal attenuation with frequency, allowing for the calculation of the attenuation constant.
  • Participants mention specific lengths of coax cables (3.5, 5.5, 6.5, 9, and 12 inches) and a frequency of 49 MHz as the context for their measurements.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between inherent inductance and capacitance versus the input characteristics when the end of the coax is open or shorted, with a focus on how these conditions affect the measurements at 49 MHz.
  • One participant provides a formula relating characteristic impedance to inductance and capacitance per unit length, suggesting that the input impedance can be determined using the Smith Chart and back-calculating inductance based on the frequency and propagation speed.
  • Assumptions regarding the relative permittivity of the coax material are discussed, with implications for the speed of electromagnetic wave propagation and wavelength calculations at the specified frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of inductance and capacitance measurements under various conditions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the testing methodology and theoretical implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific assumptions, such as the relative permittivity of the coax material, which may affect the calculations. There is also a lack of consensus on the exact methodology for measuring capacitance and inductance in different configurations.

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I need to test a coax cable assy for loss, resistance (AC&DC?) capacitance and inductance? Using a VNA in smith chart mode, how is it done? Do I sweep the coax (S11) with the other end open, shorted and then terminated? I know sweeping S21 will give me the loss @ freq of interest. Its the capacitance and inductance I'm not sure about.
 
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How long is your cable assembly, and at what frequencies do you need L and C?
 
For loss, assuming you know the characteristic impedance, you use the VNA and plot the S21 in rectangular form with the correct termination. You see the signal attenuate with frequency. From that, you find the attenuation constant [itex]\alpha\;[/itex] and back calculate.
 
There are 5 diff lengths 3.5, 5.5, 6.5, 9 & 12" all at 49 MHz.
 
Are you asking about the inductance or capacitance at the input of the coax when the end is open or shorted? That's totally different from the inherent L and C. The characteristic L and C is governed by

[tex]Z_0=\sqrt{\frac L C}[/tex]

Where Z0 is the characteristic impedance, L and C is the inductance and capacitance per unit length.

If you are asking whether the input is inductive or capacitive of the coax at different length at 49MHz when the end is open, then it's a different story. For 49MHz, let's assume εr=4, this mean the speed of the EM wave propagates through the coax is about half of light which is 1.5EE8 m/sec. For 49MHz, the wavelength λ≈118"

Your longest coax is 12", it is only 1/10 λ. This is way smaller than λ/4. The input is inductance if the end is open. You can find the impedance by using the Smith Chart and then use 49MHz to back calculate the inductance.

The number I used is assume εr=4, you have to do the calculation with the number for your coax. The speed of the EM propagation is

[tex]V_p= \frac 1 {\sqrt{ε_0 ε_r μ}} \; , \; λ= \frac {V_p}{49\times 10^6}[/tex]
 
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