How Does a Battery Influence Electric Fields and Electron Energies?

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The discussion revolves around the influence of a battery on electric fields and electron energies, exploring concepts related to energy forms, voltage, electric fields, and magnetic fields in the context of electrical circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether an electron ejected by the anode of a battery gains kinetic energy or potential energy, with one suggesting it has electrical potential energy due to its initial low velocity.
  • There is a discussion on how to physically describe the potential energy of an electron, contrasting it with kinetic energy, which is described by its speed.
  • Participants explore the relationship between voltage and electric fields, noting that the electric field is the gradient of voltage and that work must be done against the electric field to move charges in the opposite direction.
  • There is a claim that a battery produces an electric field that is believed to go from positive to negative, as is typical for electric fields.
  • Questions arise about how a battery produces an electric field and the reasoning behind needing to do work against the electric field when electrons move from negative to positive terminals.
  • One participant expresses confusion about why only moving charges produce a magnetic field, suggesting a potential relativistic explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of energy gained by electrons, the direction of electric fields, and the relationship between electric fields and magnetic fields. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on specific definitions of energy and electric fields, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms by which batteries produce electric fields and the implications of moving versus stationary charges.

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This will be my last electricity topic for a while.

1. If an electron is "ejected" by the anode of the battery with voltage, in which form of energy has the electron gained? Kinetic Energy or Potential Energy? If it's Potential Energy, how could you physically describe it? I can tell a fast moving electron has a lot of Kinetic Energy because It's moving fast. But how can I describe the Potential Energy of an electron?

2. In circuits, how is voltage related to the electric field? Why must work be done against the electric field? Does the battery have an electric field? If so, what is the direction of it? Is it from negative to positive or vice versa?

3. How come only moving charge produces a magnetic field?
 
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You're too impatient, that's what's wrong :wink: 37 views is nothing to get worried about.
user111_23 said:
This will be my last electricity topic for a while.

1. If an electron is "ejected" by the anode of the battery with voltage, in which form of energy has the electron gained? Kinetic Energy or Potential Energy? If it's Potential Energy, how could you physically describe it? I can tell a fast moving electron has a lot of Kinetic Energy because It's moving fast. But how can I describe the Potential Energy of an electron?

2. In circuits, how is voltage related to the electric field? Why must work be done against the electric field? Does the battery have an electric field? If so, what is the direction of it? Is it from negative to positive or vice versa?

3. How come only moving charge produces a magnetic field?
1. An electron that leaves the negative terminal of a battery won't be moving at high velocity right away, so that rules out kinetic energy. It has electrical potential energy. And there is no physical description of potential energy that corresponds to "it's moving fast" for kinetic energy. The best you can do is note that the electron will be pulled toward a region where it would have lower potential energy.

2. The electric field is the gradient of voltage - that is, electric field is how much the voltage changes per unit distance. An electric field tries to push charges in some direction, so if you want to move the charges in the other direction, you need to do work to overcome the electric field's push. A battery does produce an electric field, and I believe it goes from positive to negative, as electric fields always do.

3. That's just the way the world works. Why would you think a stationary charge should produce a magnetic field? You could perhaps try to go with the relativistic explanation, in which a magnetic field is produced by relativistic transformations of the electric field (kind of like time dilation and length contraction), but that could just as easily become really confusing.
 
diazona said:
2. The electric field is the gradient of voltage - that is, electric field is how much the voltage changes per unit distance. An electric field tries to push charges in some direction, so if you want to move the charges in the other direction, you need to do work to overcome the electric field's push. A battery does produce an electric field, and I believe it goes from positive to negative, as electric fields always do.

How does a battery produce an electric field though? And if electrons go from negative to positive, then why do you need to do work against the electric field going from positive to negative?
 

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