How Does a Definite Integral Yield an Imaginary Number?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of definite integrals that yield imaginary numbers, specifically examining the integral of the function \( \frac{1}{e^x \arcsin x} \) from 1 to 10. Participants explore the implications of complex analysis and the behavior of the arcsine function beyond its typical domain.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the definite integral can result in an imaginary solution, noting the output from WolframAlpha.
  • Another participant points out that arcsin(x) is not defined for x > 1 in the real number context, suggesting a need for clarification regarding its definition in the complex plane.
  • A subsequent post elaborates on the definition of arcsin(x) in the complex domain, indicating it is defined along the imaginary axis except for certain branch cuts.
  • A participant provides a detailed derivation of the integral, showing the transformation of the function into a form involving logarithms and complex numbers.
  • There is a request for clarification on the origin of the expression for arcsin(z) in terms of logarithms, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of complex functions.
  • Another participant explains that the expression for arcsin(z) arises from the inverse of the complex sine function, providing a connection to complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and behavior of arcsin(x) in the context of complex numbers, with some emphasizing its limitations in the real domain while others explore its broader implications in complex analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the integral's imaginary result.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the definitions of arcsin(x) and the behavior of complex logarithms, particularly in relation to branch cuts and the principal value of logarithmic functions. These factors contribute to the complexity of evaluating the integral.

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Why and how does this definite integral result in an imaginary solution ?

At wolframalpha ...
definite integral 1 / [e^x arcsin x] dx from 1 to 10 = 0.156 + .09i

Area under such a function should be positive or negative but
how does it become imaginary ?

Thanks
 
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By usual definition, arcsin(x) is not defined for x > 1.
 
awkward said:
By usual definition, arcsin(x) is not defined for x > 1.

It should be clarified that arcsin(x) is not defined for |x| > 1 if x is a real number. Typically, it is defined everywhere on the imaginary axis except for the branch cuts (which are usually taken to be from (-inf,1]U[1,inf).
 
paulfr said:
Why and how does this definite integral result in an imaginary solution ?

At wolframalpha ...
definite integral 1 / [e^x arcsin x] dx from 1 to 10 = 0.156 + .09i

Area under such a function should be positive or negative but
how does it become imaginary ?

Thanks

How:

<br /> \begin{aligned}<br /> \frac{1}{e^z \arcsin(z)}&amp;=\frac{1}{e^z\left(-i\log[iz+\sqrt{1-z^2}]\right)}\\<br /> &amp;=\frac{1}{e^z\left(-i\log[iz+i\sqrt{z^2-1}]\right)},\quad z&gt;1\\<br /> &amp;=\frac{1}{e^z\left(-i\log[i(z+\sqrt{z^2-1})]\right)}\\<br /> &amp;=\frac{1}{e^z\left(-i(\ln(z+\sqrt{z^2-1})+\pi/2 i)\right)}\\<br /> &amp;=\frac{1}{e^z(\pi/2-i\ln(z+\sqrt{z^2-1}))}\\<br /> &amp;=\frac{\pi/2 e^z+i\ln(z+\sqrt{z^2-1})}{(\pi/2 e^z)^2+e^{2z}\ln^2(z+\sqrt{z^2-1})}<br /> \end{aligned}<br />

Now recall:

\int_c f(z)dz=\int udx-vdy+i\int udy+vdx

and let's just look at the real part of that and since we're on the real-axis during the integration from 1 to 10, then that the real part of that integral is:

\int_1^{10} \frac{\pi/2 e^x}{(\pi/2 e^x)^2+e^{2x}\ln^2(x+\sqrt{x^2-1})}\approx 0.158

The imaginary part follows similarly. Mathematica as well as the steps above are using the principal log.
 
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Thank you very much

But why does the first line show that

<br /> arcsin z = \ {\left(-i\log[iz+\sqrt{1-z^2}]\right)}\\<br />Where does that come from ?

I appreciate your help, thanks
 
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That comes from the inverse of the complex sine function:

w=\sin(z)=\frac{e^{iz}-e^{-iz}}{2i}

If you now solve for z in terms of w, you get that expression, but just use the variable "z" instead of w.
 

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