How Does a Mass Spectrometer Calculate Ion Path Radius?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the ion path radius in a mass spectrometer, specifically focusing on the effects of electric and magnetic fields on a singly charged ion. The problem involves understanding the role of the velocity selector and the forces acting on the ion as it moves through the device.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the significance of the electric field strength and its units, the implications of the ion being singly charged, and the calculation of velocity using the relationship between electric and magnetic forces. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the electric field value and the resulting velocity calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields and how to calculate the velocity of the ion. However, there are ongoing questions about the units of the electric field and the validity of the calculated velocity, indicating that the discussion is still active and exploratory.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms such as "singly charged ion" and the relevance of the electric field value in the context of the problem. There is also a concern about the accuracy of the derived velocity in relation to expected values in mass spectrometry.

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Homework Statement


Consider the mass spectrometer shown schematically in Figure 19.30 (don't have a scanner so I can't put the picture). The electric field between the plates of the velocity selector is 950 V/m, and the magnetic fields in both the velocity selector and the defelection chamber have magnitudes of 0.930 T. Calculate the radius of the path in the system for a singly charged ion with mass m = 2.18x10^-26kg.

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I'm not sure what to do with the 950 V/m. I also do not know whether a "singly charged ion" means it is a proton or an electron.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted to try to find out where I use 950 V/m and what a "singly charged ion" means. I don't think I can go any further without knowing those two pieces of information. I'm not trying to ask for the answer (I've spent 1 hour on this question and I'm willing to spend as much time as it will take to answer it), I just don't know where to start.

Thanks. :smile:
 
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They give you the mass of the particle. Also, this is a mass spectrometer so the ion is positive.

Now you simply need to calculate the velocity of the particles that get through the velocity selector, right? These particles are undeflected by the B and E fields, so the force due to the B-field is equal to the force due to the E field. Or, qVB = qE. or, v = E/B. Take the ratio of the E and B fields given to find the velocity.

Now, you know the centripetal force due to the B-field acting on the mass when it passes into the curved tube is F = qVB = mv^2/r, right? You know q, V, B, and m, so you can easily find r.

"singly charged" simply means that the charge of the ion is the same as the charge of an electron (but positive).
 
Also, notice why the velocity selector is a crucial component of the spectrometer?
 
Thank you very much leright for the quick and informative response.

Why is the Electric Field given in V/m instead of N/C though?

Plugging 950 in for the E/B ratio gets me around 1021m/s for the velocity, which seems really low for this type of situation.
 
TbbZz said:
Thank you very much leright for the quick and informative response.

Why is the Electric Field given in V/m instead of N/C though?

Plugging 950 in for the E/B ratio gets me around 1021m/s for the velocity, which seems really low for this type of situation.

Both V/m and N/C are suitable units for electric field.

Regarding the accuracy of the velocity, I am not sure...
 

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