How does a thermocouple exploit the Seebeck effect?

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The discussion revolves around the operational principle of thermocouples and their relationship to the Seebeck effect. Participants explore how thermocouples utilize the temperature difference between two dissimilar metals to generate a voltage.

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  • Participants discuss the mechanics of the Seebeck effect and its application in thermocouples, with some questioning the distinction between the two concepts. There are attempts to clarify the role of the hot and cold junctions in thermocouples and how they create a circuit.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide links to external resources for further clarification, while others share their understanding of the principles involved. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance on the differences between the Seebeck effect and thermocouples has been offered.

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Participants reference external sources to support their claims and clarify concepts. There is a mention of specific materials used in thermocouples and the importance of their properties in generating voltage.

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descibe the operational principle of a thermocouple

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A thermocouple works using the seebeck affect. Two dissimilar metals joined together at one end forming a "hot" junction this is where the temperature is measured. At the other end the wires aren't joind this is the reference end (cold end). As the hot junction is heated, the heat is conducted at different speads in the two dissimlar metals. The electrons at the hot junction "diffuse" and move to the cooler end (reference end) of the wires making one of the wires more positively charged and the other more negatively charged as more electrons will be in the reference end of the better conductor wire creating a potential difference
 
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You are confusing two things.
In the Seebeck effect, only one metal is needed and no circuit. Electrons diffuse from the hot end to the cold, creating a potential difference.
In a thermocouple, strips of two different metals are connected at both ends, creating a circuit. With one end heated, a current flows.
See https://www.explainthatstuff.com/howthermocoupleswork.html
 
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So are you looking to see if you are correct? It's been awhile since I have worked with these, so I looked it up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple
So it looks like you sort of got it. The Seebeck Effect is the thermoelectric effect where temperature difference produces a voltage.
 
haruspex said:
You are confusing two things.
In the Seebeck effect, only one metal is needed and no circuit. Electrons diffuse from the hot end to the cold, creating a potential difference.
In a thermocouple, strips of two different metals are connected at both ends, creating a circuit. With one end heated, a current flows.
See https://www.explainthatstuff.com/howthermocoupleswork.html
So, A thermocouple works by two dissimlar metals being connected at each end. One end is called the hot junction and the other end is a cold junction. When heat is applied to the hot junction, electrons move between the hot junction of the different metals at a faster rate causing the two different juctions to have a different charge producing a voltage.
 
Yes, thermocouples operate on the Seebeck effect.

A typical setup is three junctions: T, T0 and TR where
T is temp. to be measured;
T0 is a reference temperature, often an ice bath;
and TR is the temperature of the measuring device, typically a potentiometer at room temperature so no current flows across the TR junctions. See attached "Seebeck effect.jpg" taken from Heat and Thermodynamics by M W Zemansky of CCNY, hopefully visible.

Each wire type A, B and C (note the same wire type C connecting T0 to TR) has its own characteristic "entropy transport parameter" S* and depends on the material and temperature of the wire. The emf's developed are across the wires so there are Δemf's developed between junctions a to c, c to e, e to d and d to b. Then the respective transport parameters are integrated over temperature over these four wires; the result after cancellation of the S*c parameters is
Δemfa,b ≈ (T - T0)(S*A - S*B) as desired.

Clearly we want to use wires A and B with ΔS* as different from one another as possible. I seem to remember copper and constantan.

There are other thermoelectric effects, e.g. Peltier and Joule. They're different phenomena.
 

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