How Does Adding Particles Affect Entropy in a Multi-Level Energy System?

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The discussion revolves around the entropy of a system with distinguishable and indistinguishable particles distributed across multiple energy levels. The original poster presents a problem involving two distinguishable particles and a third particle being added, questioning how this affects the system's entropy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the multiplicity of the macrostate for the given energy levels and questions how adding a third particle influences the combinations of states. They also seek a general expression for entropy involving factorials.
  • Some participants confirm the original poster's reasoning about the impact of the third particle on combinations and express uncertainty about the calculations related to the factor of increase in entropy.
  • Another participant questions the multiplicity found for the added particle and notes a discrepancy in the expected factor of increase.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of distinguishable versus indistinguishable particles and the implications for entropy calculations. There is mention of homework constraints and the need for accurate interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Two distinguishable particles are to be distributed between 3 energy levels: 0, 1e and 2e such that the total energy level E = 2e.

a) What is the entropy of the system?
b) if a third distinguishable particle with zero energy were added to the system show that the entropy increases by a factor of 1.63.
c) Reevaulate a) with undistinguishable particles. does b) still hold if this time the added particle is undistinguistable?

Homework Equations


S = k\ln\Omega
Various methods of determining multiplicity...


The Attempt at a Solution



Okay. First up this system has 3 possible states per particle and we've got 2 particles. We want the multiplicity of the macrostate 2e. Thus we need to determine the number of microstates that this macrostate has. Looks to me like we have the following states: 0/2, 2/0, 1/1, 1/1. Thus 4 microstates? so we plug 4 into the omega from the entropy formula and we're done?

Next, adding the third 0 energy level particle confuses me. It won't change the number of combinations required to reach 2e, will it? or do we do something like this: 0/2/0 0/0/2 2/0/0 0/1/1, 1/1/0, 1/0/1? Also, what formula could i use to make this a general expression such as what is the entropy of n particles in n states? I know it involves factorials...

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anyone tried 'er out?
 
You're right on both counts. Adding the 3rd particle changes the number of combinations in just the way you surmised.

As for n particles in n states, I'll leave that for someone else. :biggrin:
 
I find a multiplicity of 6 for b. in which case the when i check the factor of increase i only find a factor of 1.29, not 1.63. So that can't be right?
 

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