How Does Angular Velocity Affect Tension in Rotating Charged Rings?

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The problem involves a uniformly charged ring that is free to rotate about a horizontal rod, with a magnetic field applied. The objective is to determine the maximum angular velocity with which the ring can rotate, considering the tension in the strings supporting the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the setup of the ring's attachment to the rod and how this affects the tension in the strings. There are discussions about the effects of torque due to the magnetic field and how it influences the equilibrium of the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into the mechanics of the system, while others are clarifying assumptions about the forces at play. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue is productive.

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Participants are considering the implications of torque and the resulting changes in tension in the strings, as well as the conditions for translational equilibrium. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the system and the need for further exploration of the dynamics involved.

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Homework Statement


A charge Q is uniformly distributed on the ring which is free to rotate about a light horizontal rod. The rod is suspended by light inextensible strings and a magnetic field B is applied as shown in the figure. The initial tensions in the strings are To. If the breaking strength of each string is 3To/2, find the maximum angular velocity w with which the wheel can be rotated.

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I want to clear some doubts before proceeding with the solution-
It is given that the ring is free to rotate about the rod. Is the ring attached to the rod by another rod? If yes then does the former rod rotate with it?
What causes the tension to change in the strings?
 

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Abdul Quadeer said:
It is given that the ring is free to rotate about the rod. Is the ring attached to the rod by another rod? If yes then does the former rod rotate with it?

If you don't know, who knows? :biggrin:

What causes the tension to change in the strings?

I assume that the ring is like a wheel. When the wheel turns, there is torque due to magnetic field. Thus, the wheel gets unbalanced. It has to finds a new equilibrium position, which corresponds to a new tension in the string.
 
hikaru1221 said:
I assume that the ring is like a wheel. When the wheel turns, there is torque due to magnetic field. Thus, the wheel gets unbalanced. It has to finds a new equilibrium position, which corresponds to a new tension in the string.

The magnetic field is vertically upwards (say along + Y axis) and the direction of magnetic moment is along the rod ( say along +X axis).
So torque acts in the positive z-direction and it causes the ring to rotate about this z-axis.
So the ring will tilt about the z-axis, hit the rod and stop in that place. How will that even change equilibrium?
 
Okay. Think about some "realistic" set-up. Imagine that the ring = a flat round disk with a hole at the center, through which the rod passes. So the ring can rotate freely about the rod, with the rod as the axis of rotation. When the torque due to B-field is applied, it lifts both the ring and the rod. Then...?
 
Do you mean that the tension in one of the strings will be greater than T while it will be less than T in another string due to the 'lifting effect' of torque?
 
Or perhaps the other string is not even stretched :wink:
 
OK. I will try it now.
 
I figured out the solution.
If there is a change in tension in one of the strings, there must be a change in tension in the other string ( for translational equilibrium ). So there is no point of other sting not gettting stretched.
Thanks a lot for giving it a start!
 

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