How Does Atwood's Machine Demonstrate Conservation of Energy?

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The discussion revolves around an Atwood's machine problem involving two masses, where one mass falls while the other rises. The objective is to find the speed of the masses just before one of them lands, given specific values for height and mass. The problem is situated within the context of conservation of energy principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy by equating potential and kinetic energies. Some participants question the choice of reference level for potential energy, prompting a discussion about its implications on the initial and final energy states.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of different reference levels on potential energy calculations. Guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of energy theorem, emphasizing the need to equate total initial and final energies.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on defining the reference level for potential energy, which is crucial for correctly applying the conservation of energy principle. The initial conditions are noted to be zero for both potential and kinetic energy, which affects the final energy calculations.

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Homework Statement



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The two masses in the Atwood’s machine shown in Figure 8–23 are initially at rest at the same height. After they are released, the large mass, m2 falls through a height h and hits the floor, and the small mass, m1rises through a height h. Find the speed of the masses just before m2 lands if h = 1.2m, m1 = 3.7kg and m2 = 4.1kg


Homework Equations



E=Eo
Ug=mgh
K=(1/2)mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution



m1*g*y +m2*g*y = (1/2)*m1*v^2 + (1/2)*m2*v^2

I factored outed g*y and (1/2)*m*v^2
g*y*(m1 + m2) = (1/2)*(v^2)*(m1 + m2)

I canceled out (m1 + m2)
g*y = (1/2)*v^2

g*y = (1/2)*v^2

2*g*y = v^2

√(2*g*y) = v

√(2*9.8*1.2) = v

This is apparently wrong:
4.85m/s ≈ v
 
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first define the reference level for the potential energy... what level have you chosen ?
 
I would like to set the reference level at where the dotted line is (where v=0).
 
ok, so that means your initial total potential energy is zero. Also initial total kinetic energy
is zero. So total initial energy is zero. What about the final configuration ? The left block has climbed up distance h , so its potential energy is m_1gh and the second
block is gone below the reference level. so its potential energy would be
-m_2gh. What about their kinetic energies ? Find that expression and use the conservation of energy theorem, which implies that the total initial energy must be equal to the total final energy...
 

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