How Does Botany Impact Our Daily Meals?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived biases in a scientific map that ranks disciplines based on citation metrics, particularly highlighting the prominence of biology and medicine over fields like physics and engineering. Participants express mixed feelings about the map, with some arguing that it unfairly elevates biology due to its citation practices, which often include extensive references to related works. This leads to the conclusion that the map may not accurately reflect the true complexity or importance of various scientific fields. There are critiques about the methodology used to create the map, including the exclusion of major interdisciplinary journals and the implications of citation practices that differ significantly across disciplines. The conversation also touches on the cultural differences between fields, with some participants defending the rigorous citation practices in biology while others argue that disciplines like aerospace engineering prioritize standalone merit in publications. Overall, the discussion highlights the complexities and biases inherent in measuring scientific impact through citation metrics.
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Moonbear said:
How is that a thorough literature review? Sounds rather lazy! :bugeye:
Aerospace is an anomaly. A good chunk of the knowledge in aerospace is in the heads of those with well-aged flatulence (i.e., the old farts in the company). We can't publish a lot of what we know because of security and ITAR restrictions. The articles that are published pretty much stand on their own merit.

Suppose you come up with a spankin' new spacecraft control algorithm. It doesn't have much to compete with: The phase space control schemes used since the 60s, various optimal control schemes such as H-infinity control, and that's about it. You cite one or two articles on phase space control, one article on basic concepts of optimal control, two or three articles on specific optimal controls, and your done. You don't have to cite the literature on the 'ilities (controllability, stability, fuel frugality, safety, ...) (yes, safety is an 'ility) because everyone who can read your article knows exactly what the metrics are -- and you had dang well better have shown in the text of the article that your spankin' new control algorithm spanks the existing lot of controllers when it comes to the 'ilities.
 
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tribdog said:
the only thing worse than biology is botany.

Hey! I resemble that remark. :) Didja ever eat cantaloupe, spaghetti with tomato sauce?
No Botany == no veggies and pretty much no meat either.
 

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