How Does Botany Impact Our Daily Meals?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of botany and related biological sciences on daily meals, with participants exploring the significance of various scientific disciplines, particularly biology and its subfields, in relation to their popularity and perceived value compared to physics and engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for biology over physics, suggesting that biology is perceived as more popular or interesting.
  • Others argue that the representation of different scientific disciplines in citation maps may be skewed, with molecular and cellular biology receiving more attention due to higher funding and publication rates.
  • There are claims that the methodology used in creating citation maps, such as the eigenfactor score, may introduce biases that favor certain fields over others.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of the eigenfactor score and question its implications for understanding the interconnectedness of scientific disciplines.
  • There is a suggestion that the way references are cited in papers varies significantly across disciplines, impacting the perceived complexity and importance of those fields.
  • Participants discuss the social dynamics of biologists, implying that they may be more inclined to credit a wider range of contributors in their work.
  • There are contrasting views on the value of botany, with some expressing disdain for the subject while others acknowledge its importance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the significance of different scientific disciplines and the implications of citation metrics. Disagreements persist regarding the value of biology and botany compared to physics and engineering.

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Limitations include potential biases in citation practices across disciplines, the impact of funding on research output, and the subjective nature of perceived scientific value. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives without resolving the underlying complexities.

  • #31
Moonbear said:
How is that a thorough literature review? Sounds rather lazy! :bugeye:
Aerospace is an anomaly. A good chunk of the knowledge in aerospace is in the heads of those with well-aged flatulence (i.e., the old farts in the company). We can't publish a lot of what we know because of security and ITAR restrictions. The articles that are published pretty much stand on their own merit.

Suppose you come up with a spankin' new spacecraft control algorithm. It doesn't have much to compete with: The phase space control schemes used since the 60s, various optimal control schemes such as H-infinity control, and that's about it. You cite one or two articles on phase space control, one article on basic concepts of optimal control, two or three articles on specific optimal controls, and your done. You don't have to cite the literature on the 'ilities (controllability, stability, fuel frugality, safety, ...) (yes, safety is an 'ility) because everyone who can read your article knows exactly what the metrics are -- and you had dang well better have shown in the text of the article that your spankin' new control algorithm spanks the existing lot of controllers when it comes to the 'ilities.
 
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  • #32
tribdog said:
the only thing worse than biology is botany.

Hey! I resemble that remark. :) Didja ever eat cantaloupe, spaghetti with tomato sauce?
No Botany == no veggies and pretty much no meat either.
 

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