How Does Changing Propeller Weight Affect Max RPM?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how changing the weight of a propeller affects its maximum RPM when driven by an engine. Participants explore the relationship between propeller weight, drag, torque, and engine power, considering both lighter and heavier propellers. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and technical explanations related to propulsion mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the maximum RPM occurs when the drag from the air equals the torque generated by the engine, questioning how changing the weight of the propeller affects this balance.
  • Another participant argues that the weight of the propeller does not appear in the equation for net torque, implying it does not affect maximum RPM but may influence the time taken to reach that RPM.
  • It is noted that changing the mass of the propeller will affect angular acceleration and deceleration, suggesting a relationship between weight and the dynamics of spinning up or down.
  • Some participants contest the idea that maximum RPM is solely determined by the drag and torque balance, emphasizing that throttle position also plays a critical role in achieving maximum RPM.
  • A later reply clarifies that the discussion is about maximum power output from the engine, regardless of how that power is achieved, indicating a focus on the theoretical aspects of engine performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of propeller weight on maximum RPM, with some asserting that it has no effect while others highlight its influence on acceleration and deceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between propeller weight and maximum RPM.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the balance of forces and torques without fully resolving the implications of changing propeller weight on maximum RPM. There are assumptions about the conditions under which maximum power is achieved that are not explicitly defined.

Ryder S
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Hello all...
I have a question about an engine-driven propeller. While a propeller is being spun, the air resists it and the maximum power of the engine will turn at "max rpm" when the drag from the air interacting with the propeller becomes equal to the torque generated by that engine.

Now imagine that you replace the prop with an IDENTICAL one, except that it half the weight (less dense material).

What happens to max RPM and why?

Conversely, imagine adding a propeller that is IDENTICAL except it's twice as heavy... What happens to max RPM in this case?

Thank you!
 
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Ryder S said:
Hello all...
I have a question about an engine-driven propeller. While a propeller is being spun, the air resists it and the maximum power of the engine will turn at "max rpm" when the drag from the air interacting with the propeller becomes equal to the torque generated by that engine.

Now imagine that you replace the prop with an IDENTICAL one, except that it half the weight (less dense material).

What happens to max RPM and why?

Conversely, imagine adding a propeller that is IDENTICAL except it's twice as heavy... What happens to max RPM in this case?

Thank you!
Torque is the rate of change of angular momentum. So if a propeller is spinning at a constant rate, the net torque on the propeller is zero. In your equation for net torque, the drag of air on the propellor balances the torque generated by the engine.
##T_{engine} = \int_0^R D(r)~r~dr##, where D(r) drag per unit length at distance r from the center of the propeller.

The weight of the propeller does not appear in that equation, so it has no effect on the max RPM. It would have an effect on how long the propeller takes to spin up to max RPM.
 
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tnich said:
It would have an effect on how long the propeller takes to spin up to max RPM.
And spin down to zero when the power is cut.
 
Ryder S said:
the engine will turn at "max rpm" when...

No, that's not true. When you fly a propeller powered airplane, changing throttle position changes RPM. Max RPM happens only at max throttle.
 
Reduction in mass or increase in mass will affect the angular acceleration or retardation.
 
anorlunda said:
No, that's not true. When you fly a propeller powered airplane, changing throttle position changes RPM. Max RPM happens only at max throttle.

As I had mentioned: "the maximum power of the engine". This is not a discussion about how engines produce max power. It is: *given* an engine at max power (by whatever means that is achieved... magic dust, planetary alignment, act of God, throttle position etc.)

Thank you!
 
Thank you, tnich!

That's perfect.
 

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