How Does Coulomb's Law Determine the Force Between Charges on Different Axes?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the x-component of the net force exerted by two positive point charges on a negative point charge located on the x-axis. The charges are positioned on the y-axis, and the task requires expressing the force in terms of the given variables.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Coulomb's Law and the geometry of the situation, particularly the relationship between the vertical and horizontal components of the forces. Questions arise regarding the necessity of including vertical components when calculating the x-component of the force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and the importance of considering the correct variables. There is recognition of a potential misunderstanding regarding the use of constants and the representation of forces. The discussion reflects a mix of confirmations and clarifications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the components of the forces involved and the implications of using numerical values versus symbolic representations in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



Two positive point charges q are placed on the y-axis at a and -a. A negative point charge -Q is located at some point x on the +x-axis.

Find the x-component of the net force that the two positive charges exert on -Q.

Express your answer in terms of the variables q, Q, x, and a, with any necessary constants.

Homework Equations



Coulomb's Law:

F = kq_1q_2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



The upper particle on the y-axis is q_1, the lower particle on the y-axis is q_2, and the particle on the x-axis is q_3.

q_1 and q_2 have the same "pull" on q_3, so the vertical y-components of the force cancels out. Also, the force due to q_1 on q_3 is equal to the pull that q_2 has on q_3. The force on q_3 is equal to:

F_q_3 = F_13 + F_23

F_13 = kq_1q_3/r^2

k = 8.99 * 10^9
q_1 = q
q_3 = -Q
r^2 = a^2 + x^2 (pythagorean thereom to find the distance from q_1 to q_3)

The magnitude of the force F_13 (particle one on particle three) is:

F_13 = (8.99 * 10^9)(q)(-Q)/(a^2 + x^2)

The x-component of this force is

F_13x = (8.99 * 10^9)(q)(-Q)/(a^2 + x^2) * x/(sqrt(x^2 + a^2))

Since F_q_3 = F_13 + F_23, and F_13 = F_23,

F_q_3x = 2[(8.99 * 10^9)(q)(-Q)/(a^2 + x^2) * x/(sqrt(x^2 + a^2))]

This is also what my teacher got for this problem, but it's incorrect. Can somebody please help me point out what the problem is?

Thanks in advance.

ADD: I've also tried:

F_q_3x = 2[(8.99 * 10^9)(q)(Q)/(a^2 + x^2) * x/(sqrt(x^2 + a^2))]
F_q_3x = 2[(q)(Q)/(a^2 + x^2) * x/(sqrt(x^2 + a^2))]
F_q_3x = 2[(q)(Q)x/(a^2 + x^2)^(3/2)]
 
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I don't understand.

Since I'm looking for the x-component of the force, I'd need the force directed along the x-axis, right? If the "height" of the triangle of one force is a, and the "base" is x, then the hypotenuse of the triangle would be sqrt(a^2 + x^2), right?

Why would I need the vertical a value to solve for the x-component, especially when the vertical components cancel out?
 
electroguy02 said:
I don't understand.

Since I'm looking for the x-component of the force, I'd need the force directed along the x-axis, right? If the "height" of the triangle of one force is a, and the "base" is x, then the hypotenuse of the triangle would be sqrt(a^2 + x^2), right?

Why would I need the vertical a value to solve for the x-component, especially when the vertical components cancel out?
Yes. You are right. Your answer is correct. Probably you have to include the sign, because the force in pointing towards the -ve x axis.
 
Argh... I figured out what I did "wrong" in the end.

I put that k = 8.99 * 10^9, so instead of writing down k, I wrote down the numerical value. And the system kept telling me that it was wrong. So the answer was:

F_q_3x = 2[(k)(q)(-Q)/(a^2 + x^2) * x/(sqrt(x^2 + a^2))]

That's incredibly maddening.

Anyway, thanks for all the help. Now I'll need to ask my teacher to excuse the "mistake" that I made...
 

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