How Does Current Flow Through a 9V Battery in Different Circuit Configurations?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current flowing through a 9V battery in both open and closed circuit configurations. For the open circuit, the current was correctly determined to be 0.5 A by considering the equivalent resistance of the remaining resistors. However, the calculations for the closed circuit were flawed due to misapplication of Kirchhoff's rules and misunderstanding the arrangement of resistors. Participants emphasized the importance of accounting for both voltage sources and the shared resistor in the loops. Ultimately, accurate application of circuit laws is crucial for determining the correct current values.
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Homework Statement


Two batteries and three resistors are connected as shown in the figure. How much current flows through the 9.0 V battery?

(a) When the switch is closed?
(b) When the switch is open?


Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's Loop Rule
I=V/R



The Attempt at a Solution



To find the current when the circuit is open, I totally disregarded the 5 ohm resistor and found the equivalent resistors of 2 and 4 and got 6. Then I used the equation I=9V/6 and that didn't work.

For the current when the circuit is closed, I applied Kirchhoff's Loop rule and found the current for each loop then solved by adding the two. That didn't work so I redrew the diagram and placed the 5 ohm resistor between the 2 and 4 ohm resistor and tried to figure out the current of that loop, but it also didn't work.

Additionally, does the 6 V battery in the drawing have anything to do with achieving the correct answer?

Thank you very much.
 

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I was able to figure out the current for the open circuit, and it turned out to be 0.5 A. However, I'm still having trouble getting the answer for the closed circuit.
 
deenuh20 said:
I was able to figure out the current for the open circuit, and it turned out to be 0.5 A. However, I'm still having trouble getting the answer for the closed circuit.

Show your work in order to get help.
 
For the open circuit, I found it to by 0.5A by taking the voltage/resistance, which was 6/(2+4)=1 A. Then, because the 2 ohm and 4 ohm resistors are parallel to each other, I divided 1 A by 2 and got 0.5A as my answer for the open circuit.

For the closed circuit, I applied Kirchhoff's rule. Because there was a junction right above the 9V, I found the current of the left square, which was 6V/(4ohm+2ohm)=1 A. Then, for the right square, I found the current of that loop to be 6V/(4 ohm + 5 ohm)=0.6667 A.

Then, because of Kirchhoff's junction rule, I1-I2-I3=0, so, I did 1-0.6667-I3=0 and solved for I3, which turned out to be 0.3333 A. I got this answer as the current going through the 9V battery in the closed circuit, but it is not working.
 
deenuh20 said:
For the open circuit, I found it to by 0.5A by taking the voltage/resistance, which was 6/(2+4)=1 A. Then, because the 2 ohm and 4 ohm resistors are parallel to each other, I divided 1 A by 2 and got 0.5A as my answer for the open circuit.
You got the right answer with a faulty reasoning. The 2 ohm and 4 ohm are in series and not in parallel.
When applying KVL to the loop you must take into account both voltage sources and add them algebrically.
For the closed circuit, I applied Kirchhoff's rule. Because there was a junction right above the 9V, I found the current of the left square, which was 6V/(4ohm+2ohm)=1 A. Then, for the right square, I found the current of that loop to be 6V/(4 ohm + 5 ohm)=0.6667 A.

Then, because of Kirchhoff's junction rule, I1-I2-I3=0, so, I did 1-0.6667-I3=0 and solved for I3, which turned out to be 0.3333 A. I got this answer as the current going through the 9V battery in the closed circuit, but it is not working.

Again, your reasoning is faulty. You must take into account both voltage sources and remember that the 4 ohm resistor belongs to both loops, so there are two currents traversing it.
 
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