How Does Damping Affect the Energy of an Oscillator?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of damping on the energy of an oscillator, specifically analyzing the damped oscillator equation and the energy expression. Participants are attempting to derive the rate of change of energy with respect to time and are seeking clarification on their calculations.

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  • One participant presents the damped oscillator equation and the energy expression, seeking to show that the derivative of energy with respect to time satisfies a specific equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the variables y and x can be considered interchangeable due to a lack of additional information.
  • A third participant agrees with the initial calculation but questions the units of the suggested answer, implying a potential inconsistency.
  • A different participant challenges the validity of the proposed energy derivative equation, stating it implies a relationship that does not hold true.
  • One participant asserts that their expression for the derivative of energy is indeed correct, reinforcing their earlier calculation.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the energy derivative equation. Some participants support the initial calculation, while others contest its validity, leading to multiple competing views on the matter.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the interchangeability of variables and the implications of the energy derivative equation, indicating potential limitations in their assumptions and definitions.

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the damped oscillator equation:

(m)y''(t) + (v)y'(t) +(k)y(t)=0

Show that the energy of the system given by

E=(1/2)mx'² + (1/2)kx²

satisfies:

dE/dt = -mvx'


i have gone through this several time simply differentiating the expression for E wrt and i end up with

dE/dt = x'(-vx')

im at a brick wall. Am i doing something wrong? Any help is much appreciated! Thanks
 
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I have also assumed that y and x are interchangeable variables here, as no other information has been provided
 
I don't see anything wrong with your calculation. In fact, double check the units for your expressions - I don't think the suggested answer "##m\gamma \dot{x}##" even has the same units as ##dE/dt##.
 
Paddyod1509 said:
the damped oscillator equation:

(m)y''(t) + (v)y'(t) +(k)y(t)=0

Show that the energy of the system given by

E=(1/2)mx'² + (1/2)kx²

satisfies:

dE/dt = -mvx'

That must be wrong: it requires that E = C - mvx for some constant C, which is not the case.

i have gone through this several time simply differentiating the expression for E wrt and i end up with

dE/dt = x'(-vx')

That is the right expression for dE/dt.
 

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