How Does Doppler Broadening Affect Hydrogen's Spectral Lines?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of Doppler broadening on the spectral lines of hydrogen, specifically focusing on how the motion of atoms in a gas affects the observed wavelengths of light emitted. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of the range of wavelengths based on atomic motion and temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between atomic speed and observed wavelengths, questioning how to derive a formula for the range of wavelengths. There is discussion on whether to apply the non-relativistic Doppler effect or to consider limits in the equations presented.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical approach needed to find the spread in wavelengths. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Taylor expansion and the importance of considering the non-relativistic limit.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that atomic speeds are non-relativistic and are discussing the implications of this assumption on their calculations. There is also mention of the uncertainty principle and its role in broadening spectral lines.

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Hydrogen's only visible spectral lines are 656, 486, 434, and 410 nm. If spectral lines were of absolutely precise wavelength, they would be very difficult to discern. Fortunately, two factors broaden them: the uncertainty principle and the doppler broadening.
Atoms in a gas are in motion, so some light will arrice that was emitted by the atoms moving toward the observer and some atoms moving away. Thus, the light reaching the observer will cover the range of wavelengths.

Making the assumption that atoms move no faster than their rms speed

v_r = sqrt[2kT/m], where k = Boltzmann constant

Obtain a formula for the range of wavelengths in terms of the wavelength Y of the spectral line, the atomic mass m, and the temperature T. (note v_r << c)


Homework Equations



I'm not sure how to solve for a whole range of wavelengths. I used the formula Y = v/f and plugged in the doppler formula, but I am stuck there.

The resulting answer should be { 2Y*sqrt[(3kT/m)] }/c

The Attempt at a Solution



Moving toward observer:

f_observed = (f_source)*sqrt[(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)]

Then Y = v/f_observed = (sqrt[2kT/m]) / ((f_source)*sqrt[(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)])
 
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You are told that the molecular speeds are non-relativistic, so you can either use the non-relativistic form of the Doppler equations, or simply take the limit v<<c in the above expression.

Then the thing you want to do is find the spread in wave-lengths, which is the difference between the wave-lengths observed for the 2 cases: (i) moving towards, and (ii) moving away from the observer.
 
Do you mean to take v -> 0 in the Y expression and then do it for moving toward the observer? Then take the difference?

If i to that, then Y = (sqrt[2kT/m])/f_s for both cases.
 
aznkid310 said:
Do you mean to take v -> 0 in the Y expression and then do it for moving toward the observer? Then take the difference?
Not v-> 0, but v/c << 1. You need to Taylor expand the square root quantity and discard terms of second or higher order in v/c. What you get should be the same expression as the non-relativistic equation.
 

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