How Does Fock Space Relate to Particle Interactions and States?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Fock space, particle interactions, and the nature of electrons and photons. Participants explore concepts related to wave-particle duality, emission processes, and the mathematical framework of Fock space in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that electrons exhibit both wave and particle characteristics, depending on the nature of the observation.
  • One participant argues that an electron is neither a particle nor a wave, implying a different conceptualization of its nature.
  • A claim is made that a single electron does not emit photons but carries an electromagnetic field, with emission processes described as scattering events involving multiple particles.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between the wave nature of electrons and photons, noting that electrons are waves of a different field than the electromagnetic field.
  • Questions are raised about whether Fock space represents a complex geometry within the local space of interacting particles or if it describes interactions on an abstract scale.
  • It is stated that Fock space describes possible states but does not provide information about possible interactions, which are determined by the Hamiltonian or Lagrangian of the theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electrons and photons, the process of photon emission, and the interpretation of Fock space. No consensus is reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference complex intermediate states and the mathematical structure of Fock space, indicating potential limitations in understanding the interactions and the assumptions underlying their claims.

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If electron acts both as a wave and a particle; how does an electron emit a photon when it is a wave?
 
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From what I understand, underneath any observation is behaves as both constantly. It takes on the characteristics of one or the other depending on how the observation is performed.

Don't quote me on this, though. It wasn't until just yesterday that any of the most basic equations clicked in my head.
 
I'm under the impression an electron is neither a particle or a wave.
 
Nano-Passion said:
If electron acts both as a wave and a particle; how does an electron emit a photon when it is a wave?

A single electron does not emit photons. It only carries with it an electromagnetic field.

Emission processes are scattering events when several particles interact. They behave very much like chemical reactions. For example, absorption and emission of an electron in a hydrogen atom is a reversible reaction of the form
pe + g <==> pe^*,
(p=proton, e= electron, g=gamma=photon), where e^* is an excited state of the electron.

During the reaction, one has complicated intermediate states in a so-called Fock space, not visualizable as a particle or wave. Only the input and output of the scattering process is visualizable in this way.
 
The wave nature of electron is not to be confused with the wave nature of a photon. Photon itself can be seen as a particle or a wave of the electromagnetic field. Electron as a wave is not a wave of electromagnetic field but a wave of another field.
 
A. Neumaier said:
A single electron does not emit photons. It only carries with it an electromagnetic field.

Emission processes are scattering events when several particles interact. They behave very much like chemical reactions. For example, absorption and emission of an electron in a hydrogen atom is a reversible reaction of the form
pe + g <==> pe^*,
(p=proton, e= electron, g=gamma=photon), where e^* is an excited state of the electron.

During the reaction, one has complicated intermediate states in a so-called Fock space, not visualizable as a particle or wave. Only the input and output of the scattering process is visualizable in this way.

Is this Fock space a complex geometry within the local space of the interacting particles, or is it a description of the interactions of the particles on an abstract, immeasurably small scale within the local space?
 
JesusInACan said:
Is this Fock space a complex geometry within the local space of the interacting particles, or is it a description of the interactions of the particles on an abstract, immeasurably small scale within the local space?

Fock space only tells about the possible _states_; nothing about possible _interactions_.

An single proton, electron, or photon is described by a state in the Hilbert space of 3-dimensional wave functions with the appropriate number of components. Fock space is the correctly (anti)symmetrized tensor product of arbitrarily many of these Hilbert spaces, and can describe superpositions of states with 3 particles and states with 2 particles (as needed in the specific example given).

Which reactions are possible is determined not by the Fock space but by the interaction terms in the Hamiltonian or Lagrangian defining the theory.
 

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