How Does Frequency Affect Phase in a Resistor-Capacitor Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the phase relationship between the voltage across a capacitor and a resistor in an RC circuit as the frequency of the input signal changes. Participants explore how varying frequencies, such as from 100Hz to 10kHz, affect this phase relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the phase differences between current and voltage across the resistor and capacitor, questioning how these relationships evolve with frequency changes. There are references to the phase angles and their calculations, as well as uncertainty about the implications of frequency on these angles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing references to external resources for further information. There is an exploration of the phase relationships and how they might be affected by frequency, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of these changes.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the resistor and capacitor are connected in series to an AC generator. There is mention of a 3-dB point, indicating a focus on frequency response characteristics.

FutileSentiet
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Hi there,

I am writing up a labratory report at the moment and I am a little confused about the phase realtive to v(capacitor) relative to v(resistor). In a circuit with a capacitor and a resistor, how will the phase change when the frequency is changed?

Say from 100Hz to 1kHz to 10kHz, how will the phase of v(capacitor) change realtive to v(resistor)? Assuming the resistor is 15.91kOhms and the capacitor is 0.010microF.

Thanks, I have been trying to find some infromation on this but have been unsucessful.
 
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I suppose the capacitor and resistor are connected in series to the ac generator. In that case, the current is the same on both. What do you know about the phase between current and voltage across a resistor and phase between current and voltage across a capacitor? ehild
 
ehild said:
I suppose the capacitor and resistor are connected in series to the ac generator. In that case, the current is the same on both. What do you know about the phase between current and voltage across a resistor and phase between current and voltage across a capacitor?


ehild

The current and voltage are out of phase by 90 degrees on a circuit with just a capacity. And that the voltage and current are in phase on a ciruit with just a resistor, I do believe. I am still not sure how these two react when placed in the same circuit.
 
CWatters said:
Perhaps see..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_circuit

Has equations for the phase.

From what I see there it only gives the phase relation to voltage in, unless perhaps you coukd piont it out to me.
 
See "The magnitude of the gains across the two components are:" and "and the phase angles are"

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CWatters said:
See "The magnitude of the gains across the two components are:" and "and the phase angles are"

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Those phase angles are relative to the voltage in though aren't they?
 
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So subtract one from the other?
 
CWatters said:
So subtract one from the other?

I'm pretty sure you'd actually have to add them since they are relative to voltage in, this would get the total angle between them.

Would this mean that the phase between them is 90 degrees? And I guess this would also mean that the voltage in wouldn't be 90deg out of phase as it would in a circuit with just a capacitor.

I also need to know how this relationship will change with a higher frequency.
 
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FutileSentiet said:
The current and voltage are out of phase by 90 degrees on a circuit with just a capacity. And that the voltage and current are in phase on a ciruit with just a resistor, I do believe. I am still not sure how these two react when placed in the same circuit.

If the same current flows through the capacitor and through the resistor, and the voltage across the resistor is in phase with the current and the voltage across the capacitor is 90° behind the same current, what is the phase of Vc with respect to VR?

You can also speak about the phase difference between the generator voltage and current, but you did not ask that. ehild
 
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ehild said:
If the same current flows through the capacitor and through the resistor, and the voltage across the resistor is in phase with the current and the voltage across the capacitor is 90° behind the same current, what is the phase of Vc with respect to VR?

You can also speak about the phase difference between the generator voltage and current, but you did not ask that.


ehild

Ok so it is out of phase by 90°, but how does the change when the frequency is changed? From a low frequency to one that is above the 3-d B point?
 
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Constant phase difference does not change with frequency.

ehild
 

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