How Does Friction Affect the Acceleration of a Truck Carrying a Heavy Crate?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of friction on the acceleration of a truck carrying a heavy crate. The original poster presents a scenario involving a truck and a crate, questioning the dynamics of forces acting on both objects as the truck accelerates.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the truck and the crate, particularly focusing on Newton's third law and the role of static friction in preventing the crate from sliding.

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Some participants have provided insights into the interaction between the crate and the truck, emphasizing the necessity of understanding the forces involved. There is ongoing clarification regarding how the forces affect each other, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's confusion about the backward force.

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The discussion includes considerations of static and kinetic friction coefficients, as well as the implications of the crate's mass and the truck's acceleration. Participants are questioning the assumptions made in the free body diagram analysis.

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You and a friend have just loaded a 200 kg crate filled with priceless art objects into the back of a 2000 kg truck. As you press down on the accelerator, force F(surface on truck) propels the truck forward. To keep things simple, call this Ft. What is the maximum magnitude Ft can have without the crate sliding? The static and kinetic coefficients of friction between the crate and the bed of the truck are 0.8 and 0.3.

That is the original question.

My question is when I look at the free body diagram of the truck on the x axis, Ft is moving forward (towards east). That I understand.
But friction by crate on truck is moving backward (towards west of FBD).

I'm thinking the crate is on the truck. IN terms of Newton's third law, yes it makes sense.
But when you're thinking the crate is on the truck, how could it pull (force definition) the
truck backwards, affecting Ft?

Thanks in advance for your answers.


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If the crate does not slip it has to move together with the truck. The truck is accelerating. So does the crate, and its acceleration is the same as that of the truck. What force accelerates the crate? The same force, but with opposite sign acts at the truck from the crate.

ehild
 
ehild said:
If the crate does not slip it has to move together with the truck. The truck is accelerating. So does the crate, and its acceleration is the same as that of the truck. What force accelerates the crate? The same force, but with opposite sign acts at the truck from the crate.

ehild

First of all, thanks for the reply ehild.
your explanation helps me better to understand this problem,

let me just paraphrase what you explained just so I understand your point.

1) crate moves together with the truck. So it has to have same acceleration
2) because it's accelerating, there must be force.
3) so what is that force?

and I don't think I understand
"The same force, but with opposite sign acts at the truck from the crate."

because what I don't understand is how can a crate "on the truck"
possibly pull the truck backwards (according to FBD of the textbook)
when it makes sense explained by your way (Newton's third law).
 
Yes, it is Newton's third law. There is an interaction between the truck and the crate through static friction. This force acts against the accelerating force in case of truck. At the same time, the force of static friction accelerates the crate.

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