Where Does the Crate Strike the Wall?

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a crate on a truck bed as the truck comes to a stop due to braking. The coefficients of friction between the crate and the truck bed, as well as between the truck tires and the road, are provided. The goal is to determine the final position of the crate relative to the wall at the front of the truck bed, which is 3.2 meters away.

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  • Participants discuss the acceleration of the crate relative to both the truck and the ground, questioning the correct interpretation of the coefficients of friction and their application in calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the crate's acceleration and its implications for the final velocity as it strikes the wall. Some participants express uncertainty about the calculations and suggest re-evaluating the approach to the problem, particularly regarding the role of static and kinetic friction.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for misinterpretation of the acceleration values. There is also mention of the time it takes for the truck to stop and how that affects the crate's motion.

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Homework Statement



The coefficients of friction between the flat bed of the truck and crate are (coefficient of static friction) = 0.8 and (coefficient of kinetic friction) = 0.7. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the truck tires and the road surface is 0.9. If the truck stops from an inital speed of 15 m/s with maximum braking (wheels skidding), determine where on the bed the crate finall comes to rest or the velocity relative to the truck with which the crate strikes the wall at the forward edge of the bed.

The distance from the crate to the wall at the forward edge of the bed is 3.2m

Truck is going to the right.

Homework Equations



Friction Force = Coefficient of Friction * Normal Force.
X=Xinitial+v*t
V=Vinitial+a*t
X=Xinitial+Vinitial*t+(1/2)*a*t^2
V^2=Vinitial^2+2*a*(X-Xinitial)

The Attempt at a Solution



M*Atruck=(.9)MG
Atruck=(.9)(9.81)=8.829 m/s^2 going to the left

V=Vinitial+A*T
15=0+(8.829)(T)
T=1.69895 , time it takes for the truck to stop

(coeff. of kinetic friction of the crate)*Normal Force=M*Acrate
(.7)M(9.81)=M*(Acrate)
Acrate=6.867

acceleration of the crate in relation to the truck = 6.827-8.829 = 1.962 m/s^s going to the right

V^2 = Vinitial + 2(A)(X-Xinitial)
V^2 = 0 + 2(1.962)(3.2)
V = 3.54356 m/s

What did I do wrong? I couldn't figure out how to use the coeff. of static friction of the crate and truck bed.
 
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Woops! Wrong section I guess haha. This stuff is advanced for me -_-
 
It seems to me that "Acrate=6.867" is the acceleration relative to the truck. Just what you want. Don't subtract the truck's acceleration.
 
Delphi51 said:
It seems to me that "Acrate=6.867" is the acceleration relative to the truck. Just what you want. Don't subtract the truck's acceleration.

I feel like that's the acceleration of the crate relative to the ground. An answer I found on another site was around 2.46 m/s or something and that would make my number higher rather than lower.

Not 100% sure though, does anyone else have any ideas?
 
Sorry, I am mistaken. I see that if there is zero friction then Acrate = 0 and that is certainly not relative to the truck. So your a = 1.962 is correct.
But your final velocity calc doesn't make sense.
In the 1.7 s it takes the truck to stop, the crate will move d = ½at² = ½(1.962)*1.7² = 2.835 m. When the truck is stopped, the crate is still moving and has another 0.35 m to go before it hits. Slowing down due to friction now. You have another calc to do.
 

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