How Does Fuel Expansion and Contraction Work in Pulse Jet Engines?

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The discussion centers on the mechanics of fuel expansion and contraction in pulse jet engines, exploring the behavior of fuel/air mixtures during combustion, the resulting gas expansion, and the implications for engine design. Participants also touch on comparisons with internal combustion engines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the volume increase of a fuel/air mixture upon burning and the subsequent contraction after combustion, seeking formulas or known values for these changes.
  • Another participant suggests that the temperature at which the fuel burns and the pressure in the cylinder are critical factors, recommending the use of the ideal gas law (PV = nRT) for calculations.
  • Some participants note that in internal combustion engines, the ignition of the fuel/air mixture leads to work being done by moving the piston, which affects the combustion chamber volume, temperature, and pressure.
  • There is a mention that the volume to which the gas expands is influenced by the design of the engine itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of fuel expansion and contraction, with some focusing on pulse jet engines and others drawing parallels to internal combustion engines. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and implications for pulse jet engines.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and pressure, as well as the need for further clarification on the definitions and parameters used in calculations.

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Individuals interested in the mechanics of jet engines, combustion processes, and engine design may find this discussion relevant.

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When a fuel/air mixture burns it expands. How much does it expand? Is there a formula or known volume increase?

After a fuel burns it contracts. How much does it contract? Is there a formula or known volume that it contracts?

Gasoline/Air mixture ratio is 15 to 1 for jet engines.

A fuel is injected into a pulse jet combustion chamber and mixes with the air in the chamber at atmosphereic pressure 14.7 psi. The fuel ignites and burns and the expanding gas goes out the exhaust tail pipe. The burned fuel then produces a vacuum that sucks fresh air in through the intake valves that mixes with more fuel and it ignites and burns. The cycle repeats over and over. The combustion chamber is typically 2 times the diameter of the exhaust pipe. A 2" diameter exhaust pipe will have a 4" diameter combustion chamber. The cross sectional area of the combustion chamber is 3 times larger than the exhaust pipe. Pretty simple so far but now we need to calculate the volume of the combustion chamber?
 
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Depends on the temperature at which the given fuel burns at the particular pressure in the cylinder. You can get a fairly accurate result by applying the ideal gas law, PV = nRT.
 
don't know about jets but
do not omit the fact that in the IC engine, once the fuel/ air mix is lit, it begins to do work by moving the piston. this expands the combustion chamber volume, drops temperature, reduces initial ignition pressure immediately.
 
Ranger Mike said:
don't know about jets but
do not omit the fact that in the IC engine, once the fuel/ air mix is lit, it begins to do work by moving the piston. this expands the combustion chamber volume, drops temperature, reduces initial ignition pressure immediately.

...and the volume to which the gas expands is, by definition, dictated by the engine design.
 
exactly
brewnog..you are a valuable asset on this forumn
 

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