How Can I Calculate Pulse Jet Engine Dimensions Using Air as Oxidizer?

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The discussion centers around calculating the dimensions of pulse jet engines, particularly using air as an oxidizer. Participants share their experiences with building pulse jet engines, the challenges they face in scaling designs, and the lack of available formulas for accurate calculations. The conversation includes both theoretical considerations and practical insights based on trial and error.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding formulas to design pulse jet engines and notes that their scaled-up models could perform better.
  • Another participant mentions having a similar engine but lacks a pipe, making it hard to assess its performance.
  • One contributor claims to have figured out the math for pulse jet engines, stating that it applies to all sizes and shares insights on throttle performance and reed valve protection.
  • A participant recounts their experience of modifying an existing pulse jet design through trial and error to achieve the correct exhaust tube dimensions, seeking further calculations for thrust correlation.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource on ramjet engine design, noting some incomplete formulas but suggesting that they can be corrected easily.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus on specific formulas or methods for calculating pulse jet engine dimensions. Multiple competing views and experiences are presented, indicating that the topic remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the efficiency of their engines and the appropriate dimensions for combustion chambers and air intakes. There are references to trial and error methods without established calculations to support their designs.

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Does anyone know any Forumulas or how to calculate the dimensions of a pulse jet engine?

I have already built several PULSE JET engines that run by scaling up an existing hobby engine to a larger size. Problem is the scaled up models run but maybe they could run better. I can not find any formulas to design and build a PULSE JET ENGINE. Another problem is pulse jet engines run on air as the oxizider not oxygen like most liquid fuel rocket engines. I can not find any information for using AIR as the oxidizer in a rocket engine. My plan here was to use the formulas to design a liquid fuel rocket engine and use that information to build a Pulse Jet Engine but the physical size of the 100 lb thrust liquid fuel engine is many times smaller than a pulse jet engine so this will not work. I am using Gasoline as the fuel only because it is cheap and easy to get, Alcohol works much better. I am using gaseous oxygen as the oxidizer.

Calculations for a 100 lb thrust liquid fuel rocket engine, gasoline + oxygen.

Isp = Specific Impulse

Wo = lb of oxygen / sec

Wf = Lb of fuel / sec

Wt = wo + wf

Wo = .293 lb / sec

Wf = .117 lb / sec

Wt = .41 lb / sec

Gamma = 1.2

Dc = combustion chamber diameter = .4555"

Lc = combustion chamber length = 2.15"

Dt = nozzle diameter = .238"

Dc = nozzle exit = 1.2"

nozzle angle 15 degrees.



Trial and Error from scaling up a hobby engine to 100 lb Thrust. This works but I think it could work better. I have no idea how efficient my engine is. I have no information on AIR as an oxidizer to determine if my air intake is correct and the combustion chamber is the correct size. Gasoline + Air

Cr = Combustion chamber compression ratio = 2 to 1

Dc = combustion chamber diameter = 5.000""

Lc = combustion chamber length = 6.000"

Ai = Air intake = Dt x .8 = 2.000"

Dt = nozzle diameter = 2.5"

Tl = Tail Pipe length = 27"

Dc = nozzle exit = 3.5"

nozzle angle 15 degrees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffjdgVU_RMQ&feature=PlayList&p=4448D61756AB7633&index=5
 
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I have one of about that size. The pipe is missing, so it's difficult to tell. Which means, I have a hunk of aluminum casting, the combustion chamber shell and some reeds.
 
I have it all figured out. Math is simple and it applies to all size engines. Here are videos. I have run them all for about 2 hours each static thrust no problems reed valves hold up fine. I made some new discoveries how to protect the reed valves from combustion chamber heat. Engines start at 20% thrust and throttle up to 100% static thrust but this is not maximum thrust forward speed produces ram air so the engine can be throttled up to 140% to 150% thrust depending on the speed of the engine and the design of the air intake.

5 lbs thurst. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkOR8IZPsFg&feature=related

5 lbs thrust. SR-71

10 lbs thrust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2apj002QwY&feature=related

10 lbs thrust. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxjgmelP-Q&feature=related

20 lbs thurst.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VNyTsUT2Xg&feature=related
 
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hi Gary, I've been reading your posts, I'm trying to figure out a pulse jet engine size according to thrust, I built one already according to a ready made plan, it didn't work till I changed the length and diameter of the exhaust tube, but this took a lot of time as a trial and error technique, then I got the right size of the tube without really knowing a basis to relate that size to the thrust, if you got any calcualtions (other than pj calculator 1.4 from the internet) please advice, thank's
 
I found an interesting link on designing a ramjet engine. Some of the areal formulas are incomplete as shown, but nothing a simple square root won't fix. His calculation was correct he just left off the square root symbol in writing the equation.

http://www.pulse-jets.com/ramjet/ramjet.htm
 

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