How Does Gravitational Force Influence Ocean Tides?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the influence of gravitational force on ocean tides, specifically examining how the gravitational attraction of the Moon affects the Earth and its oceans. Participants explore theoretical aspects of gravitational force, its application to rigid and non-rigid bodies, and the implications for tidal phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the gravitational force on a mass point outside a homogeneous sphere can be treated as if the sphere's mass is concentrated at its center, questioning the implications for tidal forces.
  • Another participant argues against this view, suggesting that the gravitational attraction is stronger for parts of the sphere closer to the point mass, which affects tidal behavior.
  • A request for references and calculations related to the gravitational effects on tides is made by a participant seeking further understanding.
  • It is proposed that while a rigid body can be treated as having forces applied at its center of gravity, the ocean behaves differently due to its fluid nature, leading to significant tidal effects compared to the Earth itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of gravitational force to the Earth and its oceans, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the nature of tidal forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of gravitational interactions, noting that assumptions about rigid bodies may not apply to fluid bodies like oceans, which could influence the understanding of tidal forces.

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Hi,
it is well know that the force on a mass point outside to an homogeneous sphere is as the whole sphere's mass is concentred on its centre.
It seems that the reaction of this force (the total force of the point on the shepre) is applied on the centre of the sphere but, is it true?
If this is it true why tides?
Do you know a book where this is demonstrated?
thank you and excuse my english
 
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Frank66 said:
Hi,
it is well know that the force on a mass point outside to an homogeneous sphere is as the whole sphere's mass is concentred on its centre.
It seems that the reaction of this force (the total force of the point on the shepre) is applied on the centre of the sphere but, is it true?
If this is it true why tides?
Do you know a book where this is demonstrated?

No it isn't true. The attraction is greater for parts of the sphere that are closer to the point mass.
if the force of the moon was only applied to the center of the earth, and not to the oceans as well, you'd have MUCH bigger tides.
 
thank you,
Have you reference? Where can I found the calculus?
 
For a rigid body, it is as if the force were applied to the center of gravity (which is why it is called the center of gravity!) but for a body which can be thought of as made of independent particles, the force acts on the individual particles. We can (roughly) think of the Earth as rigid body but not water. That's why "tidal" effects on the Earth itself are small compared with ocean tides.
 

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