How does gravity in space work?

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The discussion centers around the nature of gravity in space, exploring how it operates in the absence of large celestial bodies and addressing the fundamental questions about the formation of matter and the role of gravity in the universe. Participants engage with concepts from Newtonian and Einsteinian physics, as well as the implications of the Big Bang theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how gravity operates in space, questioning how "floating dust" can lead to the formation of celestial bodies and what initiates gravitational attraction.
  • Another participant explains that gravity acts between all matter, including clouds of hydrogen, which can accumulate due to gravitational attraction, eventually forming stars.
  • A different participant clarifies that the rotation of the Earth does not influence gravity, asserting that gravity is solely due to mass attraction.
  • Some participants suggest that rotation may have a minor effect on weight, indicating a potential misunderstanding of gravitational forces.
  • There is mention of dark matter's role in the universe, which adds complexity to the discussion about gravitational forces and matter formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravity and rotation, with some asserting that rotation is irrelevant to gravitational attraction, while others suggest it may have an effect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the fundamental questions posed about gravity and the initial conditions of matter in space.

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Participants reference various theories and concepts, including the Big Bang and dark matter, but there are unresolved assumptions about the nature of gravity and the initial state of the universe. The discussion reflects a range of understandings and interpretations of gravitational physics.

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How does gravity in space work?

I have an issue that woke me out of a good sleep. Newton and Einstein's theory's make complete since to me and i feel that's how everything should work(it should make sense). What absolutely makes no sense to me is "How Gravity In Space Works." The reason I'm having this problem is the fact that everything I come up with make no sense. Now add Newton and Einstein's theory's in your mind and take out all the planets, stars, and galaxies, and there would be nothing correct? SPACE IS NOTHING, BUT DUST PARTICLES FLOATING IN SPACE.
(NOW LETS STOP RIGHT THERE)

Gravity on Earth makes sense to me, what goes up must come down, Rotation keeps us on the ground! Now in space nothing keeps us on the ground everything just floats around without gravity pulling things together and giving them direction.

What I don't understand is how gravity pulls things together in space in the first place!(GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION) BECAUSE THIS MAKE NO SENSE TO ME WHAT-SO-EVER! HOW CAN FLOATING DUST BECOME EVERYTHING. WHAT TELLS GRAVITY TO START WORKING AND HOW AND WHY ARE THERE DUST PARTICLES IN THE FIRST PLACE? PHYSICS TO ME IS MANAGED CHAOS, BUT THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. GRAVITY ON EARTH MAKES COMPLETE SENSE, GRAVITY IN SPACE DOESN'T UNLESS EVERYTHING IN THE MULTI-VERSE IS ROTATING AND IF SPACE WAS EMPTY HOW DID THE DUST GET THERE TO BEGIN WITH? LIKE I SAID I WAS DREAMING AND THIS QUESTION CAME UP IN MY DREAM AND I COULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT AT ALL IT WOKE ME UP! BECAUSE IF I TAKE A BIG JUMP OFF THE MOON I WOULD JUST FLOAT AROUND TILL SOMETHING PULLED ME IN!

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF THERE IS NOTHING TO PULL FROM THE START HOW DID IT GET THERE? AND WHAT FORCE TELL GRAVITY NOT TO MIND ITS OWN BUSINESS? WHY DOESN'T SPACE REMAIN AN EMPTY VACUUM?
 
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Gravity acts between EVERYTHING in the universe. Even clouds of hydrogen "dust", as you put it, will slowly pull itself into a ball in the absence of any other force. These particles accumulate, growing bigger and bigger spheres of hydrogen gas, increasing the gravitational gradient and attracting more particles faster and faster until eventually, there is so much gravitational force and pressure at the center of this giant ball of hydrogen (and some other stuff) that nuclear fusion becomes possible. THAT is called a star. All stars form this way, more or less. All the hydrogen got there some time after the Big Bang when the universe cooled down enough, and lost enough energy density, to allow electrons to settle into orbits with protons, creating hydrogen atoms. Other light elements were also formed, such as Deuterium (Hydrogen + neutron) and Helium. Remember also that about 80% of the matter in the universe is Dark Matter, which gravitationally attracts itself as well as ordinary matter, so all that dark matter "dust" also helped speed along galaxy formation.
 


rondfromdale said:
Gravity on Earth makes sense to me, what goes up must come down, Rotation keeps us on the ground!

Here's your problem. Rotation has nothing to do with gravity. What goes up would still come down even if the Earth were not rotating. Gravity is just due to the fact that everything with mass is attracted to everything else with mass.
 


rondfromdale, a book that you might find interesting is "The First Three Minutes" by Weinberg
 


Actually, rotation lifts us off the ground a little bit.
 

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