How Does Group Orbit Theory Relate Torus and Cylinder Structures?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between group orbit theory and the structures of torus and cylinder. It establishes that the torus is constructed from the orbits of the group Z×Z under coordinatewise addition on the real plane, while the cylinder is derived from the orbits of the integers acting on the real line. The key point of contention is the analogy between the cylinder and torus, with the argument that the cylinder's height lacks a direct counterpart in the torus, suggesting that a circle may serve as a more appropriate analogy. The mathematical actions involved are defined as n⋅(x,y) = (x+n,y) for the cylinder and (n,m)⋅(x,y) = (n+x,m+y) for the torus.

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I was listening to this lecture: and in it, sometime around the 30:00 to 40:00 minute mark, he implies that the torus' sturcture built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real plane is the same idea as the cylinder's structure being built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real line. This makes sense to me, except for the fact that it seems to me that in the case of the cylinder, it shouldn't have any height in order to be analogous to the torus. Moving around the circumference of the cylinder is equated with cycling through the different orbits, similar to moving along either circle in the torus. However there is nothing in the torus analogous to the moving along the height of the cylinder, and so it seems to me that a better analogy would use a circle instead of a cylinder. Is that the case, or am I missing something?
 
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jackferry said:
However there is nothing in the torus analogous to the moving along the height of the cylinder, and so it seems to me that a better analogy would use a circle instead of a cylinder.

but you can go from a circle of the torus to another circle of the torus, so this orbit is a cylinder.
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jackferry said:
I was listening to this lecture:, sometime around the 30:00 to 40:00 minute mark, he implies that the torus' sturcture built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real plane is the same idea as the cylinder's structure being built up from the orbits of the group under addition on the real line.

The cylinder is the space of orbits of the action of the integers on the plane. The action can be taken to be horizontal translation of the plane by an integer amount. ##n⋅(x,y) = (x+n,y)##. The orbit space of the action of the integers on the real line ##n⋅x=x+n## is a circle.

For the torus the group is different. It is the group ##Z×Z## the group of pairs of integers ##(n,m)## under coordinatewise addition. Its action on the plane is ##(n,m)⋅(x,y) = (n+x,m+y)##.
 
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