How Does Helium's Volume and Temperature Change in an Adiabatic Ascent?

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The discussion revolves around a balloon filled with helium gas that ascends rapidly from ground level to a higher altitude, where the atmospheric pressure decreases. The problem involves understanding the behavior of helium as an ideal gas under adiabatic conditions, specifically focusing on changes in volume, temperature, and internal energy during the ascent.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of equations related to adiabatic processes and express uncertainty about how to calculate work done during the ascent. There are attempts to identify relevant equations for volume and temperature changes, as well as for internal energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the adiabatic process and questioning how to approach the calculation of work and internal energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between internal energy and work, but no consensus has been reached on the specific methods to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the rapid ascent of the balloon limits heat exchange, which is a key assumption in the problem. There is also mention of the changing pressure during the ascent, which complicates the calculation of work.

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Homework Statement


A balloon containing 2.00 x10^3 m3 of helium gas at 1.00 atm and a temperature of 15.0°C rises rapidly from ground level to an altitude at which the atmospheric pressure is only 0.900 atm. Assume the helium behaves like an ideal gas and the balloon's ascent is too rapid to permit much heat exchange with the surrounding air. For helium, γ = 1.67.

Homework Equations


(a) Calculate the volume of the gas at the higher altitude.
(b) Calculate the temperature of the gas at the higher altitude. (c) What is the change in internal energy of the helium as the balloon rises to the higher altitude?



The Attempt at a Solution

 
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stark_1809 said:

Homework Statement


A balloon containing 2.00 x10^3 m3 of helium gas at 1.00 atm and a temperature of 15.0°C rises rapidly from ground level to an altitude at which the atmospheric pressure is only 0.900 atm. Assume the helium behaves like an ideal gas and the balloon's ascent is too rapid to permit much heat exchange with the surrounding air. For helium, γ = 1.67.

Homework Equations


(a) Calculate the volume of the gas at the higher altitude.
(b) Calculate the temperature of the gas at the higher altitude. (c) What is the change in internal energy of the helium as the balloon rises to the higher altitude?



The Attempt at a Solution

You have to make an attempt first. What equation applies here?

AM
 
Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake.
For (a) and (b), I use the equation for the adiabatic process.
But for (c): I don't know what equation to apply here.
 
Well, I think it is an adiabatic process. Hence the internal energy will be:
E(int)= -W
but I don't know how to calculate this work here. The equation of Work is W= integral(pdV), right? But p changes?
 
stark_1809 said:
Well, I think it is an adiabatic process. Hence the internal energy will be:
E(int)= -W
but I don't know how to calculate this work here. The equation of Work is W= integral(pdV), right? But p changes?
You can determine the work done by the gas, but that is doing it the hard way. What does property determines the internal energy of an ideal gas?

AM
 

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