How Does Incline Angle and Friction Affect Block and Flywheel Dynamics?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block sliding down an inclined plane with friction and its interaction with a flywheel. The problem includes parameters such as mass, incline angle, coefficient of friction, and moment of inertia, focusing on the dynamics of the system.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the block and the relationship between tension and acceleration in the context of rotational dynamics. There is an exploration of the equations used to derive acceleration and tension, along with questions about the validity of certain assumptions regarding moment of inertia.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, questioning the derivation of equations and the relevance of given parameters. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of torque and moment of inertia, while others express uncertainty about the necessity of certain information provided in the problem.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the use of the radius in calculations, with participants reflecting on the implications of extra information in problem-solving scenarios.

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Homework Statement


A block with mass m = 5.00 kg slides down a surface inclined 36.9 to the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.25. A string attached to the block is wrapped around a flywheel has mass 25.0 kg and moment of inertia 0.500 kgm2 with respect to the axis of rotation. The string pulls without slipping at a perpendicular distance of 0.200 m from that axis.
a) What is the acceleration of the block down the plane? my answer:1.123m/s^2
b) What is the tension in the string? my answer:14N

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hey, i did post this before sorry. the reason i put it up again is that i really need to know if i am correct or not and i need to know asap... thanks
 
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Show how you got the numbers, then we will tell you if your approach is correct and where you went wrong, if you did go wrong.
 
the 1st thing i did was: ΣF_x=F_g *sinθ-F_fric-T=ma〗
then after that i did did this T= 1/2 M*a and subbed that into the original equation to solved for a.

after i had a i subbed it in T= 1/2 M*a to find T. Please get back to me.. thanks.
 
pat666 said:
the 1st thing i did was: ΣF_x=F_g *sinθ-F_fric-T=ma〗
then after that i did did this T= 1/2 M*a and subbed that into the original equation to solved for a.

after i had a i subbed it in T= 1/2 M*a to find T. Please get back to me.. thanks.
It looks right, but why is T = (1/2)Ma ? Where did that come from? Is that always true?
 
That came from τ=r*T=Iα= 1/2 M*r^2*α i think that it would always be true but I am not sure, did you check the actual numbers or just the process?
 
pat666 said:
That came from τ=r*T=Iα= 1/2 M*r^2*α i think that it would always be true but I am not sure, did you check the actual numbers or just the process?
It is true only as long as you have a cylinder so that you can write its moment of inertia as (1/2)Mr2. I checked the process only and it looks fine. I trust you know how to punch numbers in your calculator.
 
yeah i hope so, all pulleys are cylinders arnt they?? i have another question about a buch longer cylinder (coke can shape). it would be true for that wouldn't it??
 
Yes, the moment of inertia formula for a disk and a cylinder are the same as long as the axis of rotation is through the center.
 
ok, good thanks for your help.
 
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sorry 1 more thing, I've asked a few people this. why am i given a radius if it is not needed, is there another way of solving these that does use the radius??
 
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pat666 said:
sorry 1 more thing, I've asked a few people this. why am i given a radius if it is not needed, is there another way of solving these that does use the radius??

If they ask you for the torque you need to know the radius. In this case you just used the definition of torque without having to calculate torque itself. Problems sometimes give extra information to force you to think about what it useful info and what is not useful.
 
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ok i was just asking because i have 3 questions all that give a radius and all that i solved without it. Although, i do understand what you are saying about extra information.
 

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