How Does Increasing Damping Impact Resonance in Forced Vibrations?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of increasing the damping constant in a forced vibration system described by a second-order differential equation. The original poster is exploring how changes in the damping constant affect the resonance peak, specifically in terms of its height and frequency.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between damping and the amplitude of the driving force, questioning how this interaction influences system behavior. There are attempts to clarify the problem statement and its mathematical representation, including the potential omission of a comma in the equation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made about the damping constant and its impact on resonance. Some participants suggest examining the steady-state solution while others clarify the mathematical expressions involved.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the interpretation of the damping constant as time-dependent or constant, which may affect the analysis of the resonance peak. Additionally, the original poster's initial answers were marked incorrect, prompting further exploration of the topic.

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Homework Statement



x''+b*x'+k*x=k*y+b*y' y=cos(omega*t)

k is fixed, b - damping constant slowly increases.

How does increasing the damping constant b affect the resonance peak?

2. The attempt at a solution

Well, I thought the answers:
It significantly decreases the height of the resonant peak.
and
It significantly decreases the frequency at which resonance happens.
are correct.

I have found a useful resource - http://physicsnet.co.uk/a-level-physics-as-a2/further-mechanics/forced-vibrations-resonance/

But these answers were marked as wrong. I have no idea why. What have I missed? Is it possible that this option is correct: It does not significantly change the shape nor the location of the resonance peak.?
 
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Normally when you consider damping you assume the amplitude of the driving force to be fixed. In this case, you should note that your driving force depends on and increases with b. Think about how that will change the behaviour of the system.
 
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Poetria said:
x''+b*x'+k*x=k*y+b*y' y=cos(omega*t)
This the literally rendered problem statement ? Why the funny expression on the righthand side ?
 
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BvU said:
This the literally rendered problem statement ? Why the funny expression on the righthand side ?
I suspect there is a comma missing between y' and y.
 
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Orodruin said:
I suspect there is a comma missing between y' and y.

Yes, a comma is missing. :( There is also a mathlet but of course I can't copy it.

I have got it right eventually. :)

Many thanks. :)
 
I suspect the idea is to look at x''+b*x'+k*x=y
with y=cos(omega*t)
 
BvU said:
I suspect the idea is to look at x''+b*x'+k*x=y
with y=cos(omega*t)

Yes, exactly. You can also adjust omega with the mathlet.
 
BvU said:
I suspect the idea is to look at x''+b*x'+k*x=y
with y=cos(omega*t)
I strongly suspect that this is not the case and that the problem indeed wants a derivative of ##y## on the right-hand side along with the quoted constants, i.e.,
$$
x'' + b x' + kx = k \cos(\omega t) - b \omega \sin(\omega t).
$$
 
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Which would be relevant if ##b## is time dependent. Am I to interpret
Poetria said:
b - damping constant slowly increases.
as "find the steady state solution with ##b## constant and look at how the resonance peak depends on ##b## "?
 
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BvU said:
Which would be relevant if ##b## is time dependent. Am I to interpret
as "find the steady state solution with ##b## constant and look at how the resonance peak depends on ##b## "?
That is how I would interpret it.
 
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