How Does Mathematical Induction Prove Derivative Formulas?

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The discussion focuses on using mathematical induction to prove the derivative formula d^n/dx^n [(x-1)^n] = n! for integer n. The initial base case for n=0 is confirmed, as it holds true. The user successfully assumes the formula for n=k and demonstrates that it holds for n=k+1 through differentiation. Despite the explanation being described as "hideous," the induction process is validated as correct. A follow-up question addresses confusion regarding the behavior of derivatives at specific points, which is clarified by recognizing that the derivatives at x=1 do not necessarily equal zero even if the function itself does.
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Homework Statement



Sorry I can't do this in latex, the PC I'm on doesn't display it and I can't confidently reel it off without checking so I'll have to do this in an ugly way! :/

Prove:
d^n/dx^n [(x-1)^n] = n!
For integer n

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I'm trying induction but it's never been my strong point, I'm not convinced I actually understand how induction works, whenever I try and get my head around it, it seems circular..

The Attempt at a Solution



Testing when n=0 gives (x-1)^0 = 1 = 0! so it holds when n=0

Now assuming true for n=k gives:
d^k/dx^k [(x-1)^k] = k!

If this holds for n=k, that it holds when n=k+1 must be implied by n=k being true:
d^(k+1)/dx^(k+1) [x-1]^(k+1) = d^k/dx^k(d/dx((x-1)^(k+1))) separating the differentiation operator
= d^k/dx^k((k+1)(x-1)^k) evaluating the inner derivative
= (k+1)d^k/dx^k((x-1)^k) bringing the constant (k+1) outside the derivative
= (k+1) k! using the result I'm trying to prove
= (k+1)!

Sorry, that's hideous.. is it OK?
 
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Yes, it is hideous, but (unless my eyes glazed over something important), your induction works just fine!
 
daveb said:
Yes, it is hideous, but (unless my eyes glazed over something important), your induction works just fine!

OK thanks :)

A further question:
This proof is actually part of my solution to Q20 part C on this paper:
http://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/undergrad/nst-pastpapers/2009/PaperNST_IA_2.pdf

I've managed to do the proof OK and get the required result but it seems a bit odd to me. I'm not sure why P(1) = 1 when if we sub x=0 into v, we get 0^l for all values of l greater than 0.

If v(1) = 0 for all positive l, then surely P(1) = 0 as well since P(1) is simply the derivative of v(1) l times multiplied by a constant factor?
Thanks

Edit: That was dumb of me... just realized we're taking the 'l'th derivative of the function v at x=1.. just because v(1) = 0, doesn't mean its derivatives are.

Thanks again
 
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